wadinga wrote:Season's Greetings to All,
Paul C Looking at the high quality Schmalenbach film on you tube I believe PoW fires only forward turrets and the white spot aft resolves clearly as a shell splash- opinion? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU76vVM6lWY
paulcadogan wrote:wadinga wrote:Paul C Looking at the high quality Schmalenbach film on you tube I believe PoW fires only forward turrets and the white spot aft resolves clearly as a shell splash- opinion? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU76vVM6lWY
WoW! Sean, I've never seen that so clearly before! You are absolutely right that it looks like a shell splash - you can see other "overs" just prior to the guns firing! A straddle and very likely a hit in there...amazing!
Most likely, the Prinz Eugen would be ordered to engage one of the British cruisers, while at least 1 of Bismarck's main turrets would be directed against the other.
But Bismarck would not open fire with 38cm shells until both British capital ships (Hood and Prince of Wales) woudl have been taken care of [this was standard German practice - to engage the most proeminent threat]
This is why the 2 cruisers would actualy have chances of doing ugly damage to Bismarck. They would have maybe 10-15 minutes of firing against the battleship and against PRinz Eugen....
paulcadogan wrote:RF wrote:if I read Paul correctly what is being suggested is that the risk of losing POW is traded against still having Hood intact - in which case I think POW is more expendible.
Not really what I was thinking.... I was trying to make the point that the very same arguments we have been making on both sides of this debate would have applied and a decision would have had to be made at some level. The wisdom of that decision, whichever way it went, would have been shown by the outcome and if the outcome was unfavourable for the British then criticism of that decision would follow...
1856 (B). Prinz Eugen opened fire, which was returned with three broadsides at G.R. 27,500 - 28,900 yards.
Salvo 11 - No. 3 central ammunition hoist was raised with shell but no cordite; No. 25 interlock having failed to prevent this. The interlock was functioning correctly before the engagement. There has been no opportunity to investigate this. It is also reported that the reason no cordite had been rammed was that the indicator in the cordite handling room did not show that the cage had been raised after the previous ramming stroke. This caused the gun to miss salvoes 15 to 20.
1) it is a fact that Capt Leach retreated PoW at 06.01 and 30 seconds as LtnCdr Rowell ( Pow navigating officer ) map and PoW gunnery map clearly shows.
2) it is a fact that Capt Leach changed his "version" of the event/timing and operating guns 3 times in 15 days
3) It is a fact that Adm Tovey wrote on his dispatches 06.13, adding 12 minutes to that event and it is FALSE, confirmed by the RN Admiralty too being wrong.
4) it is a fact that both Suffolk and Norfolk could have been well into their gunnery range that morning, but they "manoeuvred away" to keep themselves OUT of the battle.
5) it is a fact that Ellis wrote he was 14 sea miles from the enmy at 05.42 and turned away backwards because of a " mirage " effect.
6) it is a fact that at 05.41 Norfolk started an " outrageous ARC " to stay away from the enemy.
7) it is a fact that Wake-Walker, Phillips and Luce wrote and draw they were at 10 sea miles from Hood at 06.00 and 11 from Bismarck, ref. Hood first board diagram B.
8) It is a fact that Wake-Walker on the second board went there with a FALSE track plot and the board changed to 15 sea miles his distance to Hood/enemy
9) it is a fact that Adm Tovey wrote again on his dispatches that both cruisers were 15 sea miles away and NOT in condition to engage the enemy, and it is FALSE again.
10) it is a fact that Royal Navy Admiralty and Churchill wanted to court martial both Leach and Wake-Walker, but after some evaluations it was called back.
Antonio Bonomi wrote:
Ref. my Indiana Jones little joke, ... who between Wake-Walker ( 30.000 yards ) and Phillips ( still 20.000 yards ) was a liar according to you ?
Antonio Bonomi wrote: "Ref. my Indiana Jones little joke, ... who between Wake-Walker ( 30.000 yards ) and Phillips ( still 20.000 yards ) was a liar according to you ? "
The East Greenland Current is very cold water, and by cooling the air layer just above it could create exactly the conditions Captain Ellis describes.Superior mirages are mirages that form above the horizon. This occurs when there is a cooler level of air lower than a warmer level of air, typically over icy landscapes or very cold water. This mirage causes you to see a scene much higher than it should be. For example, you might see a mass of land or a boat floating in midair.
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