Again thank you Wadinga and Antonio for your help, and to all those who offer advice, sometimes debates become a little heated on the forum but the generosity of people in helping others shines out. Many thanks
Antonio Bonomi wrote:Hello everybody,
The difference between you and me on doing this work is that I have no preferred scenario at all, ... I am just progressively make it more and more precise and supported by the available evidences, ... in order to publish it one day with a good enough confidence level that it does correspond to the reality as best as we can demonstrate, ... while you for sure do have at least one scenario that apparently you are not willing to accept no matter what, ... as we can read above, ... but I understand the reasons behind all this, ... even if I cannot support an approach like that being an historian researcher with a NO side taken approach.
Antonio Bonomi wrote:Someone gave me as a gift the David J. Bercuson and Holger H. Herwig book, ... and at page 153 I read the statement : "... on the British cruisers Suffolk and Norfolk, still trailing the German task force ten to twelve nautical ( sea ) miles off to the east ".
As you can see not only me, ... the Baron Von Mullenheim-Rechberg ...and the post war Capt Elis declarations, ... are stating that the 2 county class heavy cruisers where much closer then officially declared on that timeframe.
Lutjens did not for a moment contemplate withdrawing the heavy cruiser to the lee of fire - .....but rather kept her in the line.(43) Within minutes of concentrating on Prince of Wales, Commander Jasper noted two detonations and a "small fire" on the enemy battleship.(44) Next Lutjens ordered the Prinz Eugen to drop back, off the Bismarck's starboard side. There she could train her FuMO-27 radar detectors on the British cruisers Suffolk and Norfolk, still trailing the German task force ten to twelve nautical miles off to the east.
you will realize that it will cross on the grid map that 03.20 point of Norfolk ... and that will fix the Suffolk track position up there.
Antonio Bonomi wrote:
Using the Norfolk bearing to Suffolk at 03.20 and 05.41 from her own map, I had at hand the direction where Suffolk was at given time from the Norfolk.
On the same way I used the PoW Plan 13 to determine the Suffolk bearings from PoW, ... at 03.20, ... and by crossing that line with the Norfolk one at 03.20, ... we surely can have a precise enough position of Suffolk at 03.20.
Since the trigonometrical baseline between Norfolk and PoW is so narrow, an error of a mile or so up or down the track of the former will make an enormous variation in Suffolk's position. Hence we don't haveI placed the Norfolk track on the grid with a good enough reference to PoW.
we surely can have a precise enough position of Suffolk at 03.20.
I wish you every success with your model for your Norwegian friennd - you are doing a fine thing
I already explained you that Suffolk was NOT in a position to distinguish from around 20 sm who was firing between BS and PG due to relative positions (the German ships were exactly one behind the other from SF) . She was at 32 sm from Hood and I STROGLY doubt she could record her very first salvo with any precision.
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