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I disagree !The Plot is Norfolk's map, with everything shown relative to Norfolk, with Norfolk's navigational error included and applied to absolutely everything.
http://www.hmshood.com/history/denmarks ... &Nplot.gifAntonio Bonomi wrote:Hello everybody,
@ Wadinga,
you wrote :
I disagree !The Plot is Norfolk's map, with everything shown relative to Norfolk, with Norfolk's navigational error included and applied to absolutely everything.
Can you please provide me your evidence about it. Thanks
Bye Antonio
Until Suffolk's navigator got the sun sight later to correct his position all he could do was assume the average relative reports of the other ships giving Bismarck's position were more likely to be correct than his.17. 0542 (B). Received Norfolk's 0541 reporting sighting enemy, followed by Prince of Wales' 0537 and Hood's 0543. The mean of these placed the enemy some 280°, 14 miles from Suffolk's plot position, and sights obtained shortly afterwards confirmed this. As, however, the Battle Cruiser Squadron was now in touch with the enemy, no amending position report was made at this point.
So I ask you, do you have those documents :The Plot is Norfolk's map, with everything shown relative to Norfolk, with Norfolk's navigational error included and applied to absolutely everything.
Because both are obviously stratecial plots (at least according to the captions) and the level of detail is rather useless?Antonio Bonomi wrote: Than ask yourself a very easy question :
Why RearAdm W.F. Wake-Walker did NOT use those Official documents and tracks in his hands to prove his case on the Hood second board of inquiry ??? ...
To have a better level of detail?Antonio Bonomi wrote: Why " The plot " has been made at all, ...
about the distances ! Therefore he asked Pinchin to draw "the Plot": this is NOT a battle map (not reconciling any input and not showing the CORRECT tracks of Hood and PoW) and NOT a single ship plot as there is a clear attempt to show how far Norfolk and Suffolk were from the enemy, enlarging the whole battlefield. 
... but if they need or want a " silver bullet " or a " smoking gun " like a written admission from Wake-Walker of what has been done and why, ... well we will probably not going to be able to give it to them. 
Bye AntonioAlberto Virtuani wrote:@all: I would reverse the question: why Adm.Wake-Walker felt the need to go to the second board WITH a plot (starting his deposition with a sentence like: "I have the track chart with me"....) ? As Sean said several times, this was NOT an inquiry regarding his behaviour during the battle, just a board to better investigate the causes of Hood explosion.....
My 2 cents opinion: he didn't need it at the first board when everybody declared what they saw fixing the distance of Norfolk from Hood, however he needed it at the second board to justify his own "change of opinion"
Bye, Alberto
http://www.hmshood.org.uk/reference/off ... .htm#Ellis425. Have you anything yourself that you want to tell us ? Do you wish to tell us anything further ?
No, I do not think I can give you anything further that would be useful. It was a very difficult morning, marker refraction, rapidly changing visibility, and this occasion is the first time I have seen my own and the "NORFOLK's" plots put together and it is a surprisingly greater distance than I thought it was.
.... and still challenged being NOT correct by Capt Phillips confirmed declarations and sketches ... What bearings?Antonio Bonomi wrote:... and the bearings declared on the original tracks are NOT respected and one can see it also on " The Plot " itself since some have been drew and left ... in the middle of the ocean ... because they clearly do not match.
The enlargement factors are the signals and not Pinchin or Wake-Walker.Pinchin had to ignore some information: either bearings or distances. I still can see no evidence of any cover-up.
There is surely an incorrect statement at 05.42 when Suffolk declared 280° True bearing for the enemy, ... that should be 208° True ... in my opinion ...0520 (B). Enemy bore 203°, 15 miles, possibly increasing speed; and shortly afterwards altered course 30° to port and then back to starboard.
17. 0542 (B). Received Norfolk's 0541 reporting sighting enemy, followed by Prince of Wales' 0537 and Hood's 0543. The mean of these placed the enemy some 280°, 14 miles from Suffolk's plot position, and sights obtained shortly afterwards confirmed this. As, however, the Battle Cruiser Squadron was now in touch with the enemy, no amending position report was made at this point.
