Antonio Bonomi wrote:
forget for a moment what Suffolk did after 05.41, ... it is enough now to know where she was with good tolerances and where on the same moment Norfolk was compared to her and to the enemy on bearing 276°.
Having " The Plot ", ... recognized by everybody being incorrectly realized originally, ... being corrected by me using Wadinga most favourite bearing ( visual ) at 06.20 between Norfolk and Suffolk, that magically correctly position also the Norfolk and Suffolk on the 319° bearing partially traced by Pinchin too ... and this is NOT a combination ... you do not need to travel 6000 miles to reach the archives in Kew - PRO to use a ruler and with the scale in sea miles I have placed on the map measure at what distance the Norfolk really was from Hood at 06.00, ... once the map does have the correct Hood/PoW track ... and NOT the PInchin invented one .
So I invite you, Paul, Sean, Cag and everybody else that likes to know the reality about it to take your ruler and measure it now.
Because that is the correct distance, with due tolerances, between Norfolk and Hood at 06.00, that I have traced for your convenience with a PINK line at 06.00 and it is around 11 Sea miles.
So the call stand : the DIAGRAM B of the First board is by far more accurate than " The Plot " distance.
Then, we can start talking about everything else you like to, ... how the ship did look from Norfolk, ... what Norfolk could or should have being doing ... why a map was produced moving her more distant by tracing an invented Hood track on the plot ... why RearAdm Wake-Walker went at the Second board with an incorrect map and declaration ... etc etc etc
Guest wrote:... therefore would a mid point of 16-17km (17,498yds -18591yds) be an acceptable effective range?
Antonio, your "plot" has Norfolk and Suffolk only 13.9nm apart yet they cannot see each other...
Your plot cannot be correct.
I hope that Antonio has read my earlier post and accepts the apology as regards any idea of my refuting his work.
It is a difficult proposition to recreate a better plot as the original and if I may suggest Diagram B has errors contained within as well as the numerous ones in witness testimony.
As I posted earlier I believe that Antonio is doing a fair handed job and any information from other contributors, too numerous to mention, is vital in this work.
I am in the process of finding more and have written for the Ellis and Wake -Walker papers as well as any signals and orders from the operation (I'm not hopeful on these as don't think they are available) and will post what is allowed as I can.
Antonio Bonomi wrote:Hello everybody,
you wrote :Antonio, your "plot" has Norfolk and Suffolk only 13.9nm apart yet they cannot see each other...
Your plot cannot be correct.
Very good ! I am not infallible and everything can be.
I am looking forward to see your demonstration of why I am incorrect given the available data I have used ... and what is the correct distance at 05.41 between Norfolk and Suffolk according to you ... and your evidence supporting it ...
Just do it ... and show us ...
Quite honestly, I haven't had time to work on this in any detail.
I expect that it means re-positioning Norfolk somewhat further east and Suffolk further west so that the total distance between them = ~18nm or more.
I expect that this will place Norfolk between 26 and 30k yards from Hood and a similar distance away from Bismarck.
Cag wrote: "It also states in a pencil written note that the original automated plot was retained by Ellis"
"Original automatic-plotting-table sheets are in my possession".
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