Re: The Court Martial for the Denmark Strait
Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 7:49 am
Hello everybody,
@ Dunmunro,
I intentionally avoid to comment your last 2 post's and Alberto responses because you and all the readers already know very well my opinion about Tovey, Ellis, Leach, WW, Lutjens and so on, ... so no value add on doing it again and again endlessly.
We all highly involved on this debate only run the risk to appear now ... Ok, ... I will avoid any definition, ... to confirm my intention to calm down the situation/discussion from my side.
It appears that you, like many others do agree we need to look for the truth.
Ok lets forget the personal opinions well known until we will be able to find out more evidence about our disagreements, ... our different way to read what is available is well defined already.
Lets work on something productive, like the battlefield and the map using as you and Wadinga suggested years ago to me, the bearings and not the distances. Here we were and hope still are all in agreement.
I have agreed with Herr Nillson a productive initiative to move forward as a team, I am sure you read about
Do you mind to confirm from your side the bearings showed in this map being correctly traced connecting the 2 tracks of Norfolk and Suffolk as originally traced by Pinchin on The Plot, and now just related to the BC1 and German ships correct tracks.
The question is : Are they correctly traced according to you ? If not which one and why ?
To make your geometrical verification easier, even if you can of course control them all, I ask you and Wadinga and everybody who wants to cooperate here, a confirmation of just few ( 7 ) of them :
1) 335° between Norfolk and Suffolk at 06:20 ( Ref. The Plot and WW Off. report )
2) 185° between Suffolk and PoW at 05:53 open fire ( Ref. Suffolk Off. report )
3) 276° between Norfolk and enemy at 05:41 ( Ref. Norfolk war diary )
4) 334° between PoW and enemy ( Ref. PoW int. message to Admiralty )
5) 207° between Suffolk and Bismarck at 06:00 ( Ref. Suffolk Off. report )
6) 230° between Norfolk and Hood at 06:00 ( Ref. WW Off. report ) - NOTE: we have a conflict here with 220° at 05:50 ( to be defined jointly after )
7) 28° between Prinz Eugen and Suffolk at 05:50 ( Ref. PG Off. battle map )
I repeat myself, the Norfolk to Hood conflict 220° at 05:50 versus 230° at 06:00 will be resolved jointly later.
You can verify also the other bearings on the map, but I do not need you to agree about them, ... if you want you can do it, ... but it is not required at this stage of the verification.
Again, ... 7 easy bearing verification, ... and a response, ... that is all we need from you, Wadinga and everybody else that wants to really cooperate on finding the truth about this battle.
1) yes or no
2) yes or no
3) yes or no
4) yes or no
5) yes or no
6) yes or no
7) yes or no
You can copy and paste the above list and fill it according to you.
Thanks for your fairness and cooperation in advance, ... and bye Antonio
@ Dunmunro,
I intentionally avoid to comment your last 2 post's and Alberto responses because you and all the readers already know very well my opinion about Tovey, Ellis, Leach, WW, Lutjens and so on, ... so no value add on doing it again and again endlessly.
We all highly involved on this debate only run the risk to appear now ... Ok, ... I will avoid any definition, ... to confirm my intention to calm down the situation/discussion from my side.
It appears that you, like many others do agree we need to look for the truth.
Ok lets forget the personal opinions well known until we will be able to find out more evidence about our disagreements, ... our different way to read what is available is well defined already.
Lets work on something productive, like the battlefield and the map using as you and Wadinga suggested years ago to me, the bearings and not the distances. Here we were and hope still are all in agreement.
I have agreed with Herr Nillson a productive initiative to move forward as a team, I am sure you read about
Do you mind to confirm from your side the bearings showed in this map being correctly traced connecting the 2 tracks of Norfolk and Suffolk as originally traced by Pinchin on The Plot, and now just related to the BC1 and German ships correct tracks.
The question is : Are they correctly traced according to you ? If not which one and why ?
To make your geometrical verification easier, even if you can of course control them all, I ask you and Wadinga and everybody who wants to cooperate here, a confirmation of just few ( 7 ) of them :
1) 335° between Norfolk and Suffolk at 06:20 ( Ref. The Plot and WW Off. report )
2) 185° between Suffolk and PoW at 05:53 open fire ( Ref. Suffolk Off. report )
3) 276° between Norfolk and enemy at 05:41 ( Ref. Norfolk war diary )
4) 334° between PoW and enemy ( Ref. PoW int. message to Admiralty )
5) 207° between Suffolk and Bismarck at 06:00 ( Ref. Suffolk Off. report )
6) 230° between Norfolk and Hood at 06:00 ( Ref. WW Off. report ) - NOTE: we have a conflict here with 220° at 05:50 ( to be defined jointly after )
7) 28° between Prinz Eugen and Suffolk at 05:50 ( Ref. PG Off. battle map )
I repeat myself, the Norfolk to Hood conflict 220° at 05:50 versus 230° at 06:00 will be resolved jointly later.
You can verify also the other bearings on the map, but I do not need you to agree about them, ... if you want you can do it, ... but it is not required at this stage of the verification.
Again, ... 7 easy bearing verification, ... and a response, ... that is all we need from you, Wadinga and everybody else that wants to really cooperate on finding the truth about this battle.
1) yes or no
2) yes or no
3) yes or no
4) yes or no
5) yes or no
6) yes or no
7) yes or no
You can copy and paste the above list and fill it according to you.
Thanks for your fairness and cooperation in advance, ... and bye Antonio