Hi Marc,Herr Nilsson wrote: "I came to a very similar conclusion like Paul Cadogan."
you are welcome. As you see, it was not impossible to destroy Carthage.....
Bye, Alberto
Moderator: Bill Jurens
Hi Marc,Herr Nilsson wrote: "I came to a very similar conclusion like Paul Cadogan."
(Suffolk/Ellis narrative)Phase 0550 (B) to 0851 (B)
18. 0550 (B). Suffolk's course 220°, 29 knots, following the enemy.
0553 (B). Heavy gun flashes bearing 185°. Half a minute later Bismarck opened fire to port.
0556½ (B). Prinz Eugen opened fire to port.
0559 (B). Hood blew up.
0600 (B). Enemy bore 208°.
Hi Alberto,Alberto Virtuani wrote:More, the photo NH69724, showing the initial explosion phase (there is still the vertical pillar of smoke well visible, shows PoW at 800 meters from Hood and the PG film shows PoW CP hit and salvo 16 (fired at 6:00:50) at a distance that is NOT compatible with an explosion of Hood 3 minutes before: at that time PoW would have been well ahead of Hood, according to your theory.
Terry-Hunter:Alberto Virtuani wrote:Hi Paul,
you know very well that your theory about Hood explosion at an earlier stage always intrigued me, since the beginning.
However, this theory is in contrast with several official reports (e.g. Lutjens), with the count of shells of the Baron and, most of all, with the best British side witness (by the official board admission) Hunter-Terry (stating that Hood exploded at 6:00) and with Jasper quite precise gunnery report, that tells us he saw the first heavy salvo from Bismarck around PoW falling at 6:01 (the CP hit one).......
More, the photo NH69724, showing the initial explosion phase (there is still the vertical pillar of smoke well visible, shows PoW at 800 meters from Hood and the PG film shows PoW CP hit and salvo 16 (fired at 6:00:50) at a distance that is NOT compatible with an explosion of Hood 3 minutes before: at that time PoW would have been well ahead of Hood, according to your theory.
I'm afraid that to solve some inconsistencies,the theory is creating others.....
Bye, Alberto
T-H's timing are only approximate since we know when Hood opened fire, and he could easily be in error by a whole minute or more since there is never any reference to fractions of a minute. He is confused about the number of salvos that landed around Hood. There is, however, no mention of a two or three minute delay before Bismarck opens fire and he specifically mentions that Bismarck's salvos landed before PEs.53. Will you describe what you saw of the action particularly with reference to the "Hood", from the time "Hood" opened fire?
"Hood" opened fire with foremost turrets, that is "A" and "B", at 0552. "Prince of Wales" opened fire with "A" and "B" turrets shortly afterwards. "Bismarck's" first salvo straddled the "Hood", apparently no hits. One or two more salvos fell close to the "Hood". One salvo which fell astern of "Hood" I took to be 8" H.E. The splashes were considerably smaller than the previous ones and apparently burst on striking the water. There was a flash and black smoke when it burst.
At 0557 "Hood" was hit amidships by "Bismarck's third or fourth salvo. A big fire started just before the main-mast and a lot of black smoke was given off. The fire appeared to die down slowly and then increase again, flames were a dull red colour. The flames did not reach high but appeared but appeared (sic) to be burning just forward, around the foot of the main-mast. "Hood" continued to fire and fired one salvo from the after group on the foremost bearing. At 0600 there was a heavy explosion at the after end of the "Hood", no actual fall of shot was observed at that time. A column of smoke rose above the ship and completely enveloped her. It formed into a mushroom at the top. I thought she had blown up completely but shortly afterwards the smoke cleared sufficiently for me to see her. She was apparently still moving ahead and turning to port. She was down at the stern and listing heavily to port and the after part of the ship appeared to be a mass of twisted framework, as though the plates of the side had been blown out leaving only the frame. The part of the ship which I saw was just forward of "X" turret. At this time we were turning to port between the "Hood" and the enemy and I observed debris falling towards "Prince of Wales", in particular one large piece that looked like the main-mast or a derrick. 0601, "Prince of Wales" was hit by a shell in the after funnel and this obstructed my attention. Shortly after this I observed "Hood's" bows sticking vertically out of the water and sinking rapidly, I think on an even keel. This was about 0603 and after that I saw nothing but black smoke hanging over the scene of the wreck.
44. Are you Paymaster Commander R. Bailey, R.N.?
Yes.
45. Will you tell the Board from the model what the inclination of "HOOD" was?
Witness indicated from the model an inclination of about 45 to the right.
46. What was your impression of the visibility and colour of the horizon?
The visibility was clear, the colour of the horizon, I think the sky was grey down on the horizon, but clear and a good background, for the "HOOD" and "PRINCE OF WALES", as I saw them they were still silhouetted against the sky and they both appeared as small black silhouettes. The horizon was light grey.
47. Where were you?
At the after end of the Compass Platform of "NORFOLK."
48. Were you watching through binoculars or with the naked eye?
Through binoculars at times.
49. Are your impressions of the action clear or not?
Yes, quite clear.
50. Will you describe what you saw of the action with "BISMARCK," salvo by salvo?
I cannot describe it salvo by salvo. I watched the "HOOD" and "PRINCE OF WALES" approaching and saw them open fire, "HOOD" opening fire first. I noted the time she opened fire in my notebook, which was 0553. From then on I was shifting my sight from "HOOD" and "PRINCE OF WALES" across to "BISMARCK" and back, to see the effect of the sire from both sides. I noted in my notebook that "HOOD" was on fire two minutes after she first opened fire, and that she blew up four minutes after that. I cannot say how many salvoes she fired, nor at that range was I able to detect hits on either ship.
I'm afraid this was not the advise of the officers present at the Hood board of inquiry that rated him as the best one.you wrote: "T-H's timing are only approximate"
In addition to Brinkmann (PG KTB), "just" by Jasper precise account (please don't try to "interpret" it at your convenience....) and by the Baron account, that is by the 2 most relevant witnesses, being the GO of PG and the third officer (the only survivor) of the gunnery department in BS......Nobody else can say better than them what happened, for sure not a "paymaster" on board of Norfolk. :negativeyou wrote: "The idea that Bismarck delayed opening fire for two minutes is just not supported by the evidence available.
http://www.hmshood.org.uk/reference/off ... htm#pofwdsDuring the early morning action on May 24th a heavy hit was felt abreast the Starboard Diesel Room. ........The angle of entry was 10º from forward and the angle of descent (measured from the ship’s perpendicular) was from 2º to 4º.