Hello everybody,
@ Wadinga,
No Sean, ... I am interested about that 06:34 and 06:40 positions, ... but in order to correctly position those 2 plotted positions, ... we need first to realize the previous ones thu the most correct bearings, ... understand and agree that something on the Pinchin orgnal map track is surely not correct, ... agree to modify a bit it ... and jointly agree about many original track small modifications including the above 2 ones at 06:34 and 06:40 you are now referring to.
We need to preceed carefully step by step in joint agreement among us, ... it is only for this reason that I postpone those 2 ones, ... I have nothing against them ,... otherwise we put to much meat on the fireplace now.
I understand your distances, ... but as I wrote above, ... for the moment just bearings, ... the distances we will fix them jointly in agreement after, ... wih the tracks most accurate small adjustement modifications,... in joint agreement hopefully.
So, just wait a bit now, with the distances.
That mismatch you are realizing too between 220° at 05:50 to BC1 and 230° at 06:00 to Hood is one of the most critcal problem we jointly have to agreed as I said.
It can be fixed after we agree about 05:41 being a correct plotted position and bearing between Norfolk and Suffolk and all the other ships, ... the BC1 and the German ships.
After this we can fix Suffolk track from 05:50 with her bearings to the German ships, ... just as Marc suggested respectin 06:00 and 06:16 to the German ships, ... until the 06:29 one, ... and at 06:20 we take the crucial next bearing with the Norfolk track at 06:20 the one you surely agree with must be the famous 335° from Norfolk to Suffolk, declared by WW report and only partially traced by Pinchin on his map
, ... just like the D/6 and D7/ ones.
This should close the battlefield main perimeter in the correct way, ... between Norfolk and Suffolk and their main plotted positions at 05:41 and 06:20.
Suffolk track needs very small adjustements from the orginal, while Norfolk track was modified and adjusted more by Pinchin in order to satisfy what he needed to do for " The Plot "
At that point we will modify Norfolk track a bit in order to respect the 05:50 bearing of 220° to BC1 and 230° to Hood exploding the best we can using the strategical Norfolk plot inputs and comparison with the orginal Pinchin track, and it will be easy to respect more your distances as well as the Norfolk gunnery, ... very likely.
In order to fix the Suffolk " circle " and Norfolk at 05:41 and after at 06:20, ... we need to fixt their tracsk compared to BC1 and the German ships sure positions first, ... not moving them around based only on their tracks, ... otherwise we will always fail their main plotting correct positioning which are 05:41 and 06:20, ... we use Pinchin tracks first, ... and we change a bit after, ... this is the best process we can execute.
The 05:41 Suffolk plotted point is the first one to be fixed, ... since we have other 2 secure bearings very close, at 05:50 from Prinz Eugen 28° ( German ships ) and at 05:53 from Suffolk to PoW 185° ( BC1 ). That is the starting point, ... and fixes the Norfok at 05:41 as well with 318° Norfolk to Suffolk and 276° Norfolk to the German ships.
The next ones, ... please read above my explanations.
You have no way in my opinion not to agre about 05:41 Suffolk and Norfolk positions, because PG bearing to Suffolk is a fact and Norfolk D/6 bearing to Suffolk is a fact, ... and they both match with BC1 and German ships available bearings.
Here you have the 28° ( can be 29° ) from Prinz Eugen to Suffolk from the Prinz Eugen original battle map.
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Here you have the 185° from Suffolk to BC1 at 05:53 ( open fire ) and the timing when the 2 bearings D/6 and D/7 on Pinchin plot were taken from Norfolk to Suffolk trasmitting at 05:33 and 05:38, as you can read.
In the middle the " circle " that is perfectly positioned where I plotted above in this way.
Reports.- Made reports at 0447, 0456, 0522, 0533 and 0538 during the above phase.
17. 0542 (B). Received Norfolk's 0541 reporting sighting enemy, followed by Prince of Wales' 0537 and Hood's 0543. The mean of these placed the enemy some 280°, 14 miles from Suffolk's plot position, and sights obtained shortly afterwards confirmed this. As, however, the Battle Cruiser Squadron was now in touch with the enemy, no amending position report was made at this point.
Enemy appeared to be approaching, and in case he had reversed course at 0538 (being "turned" by the Battle Cruiser Squadron), Suffolk circled to keep northward of enemy. It was soon realised, however, that the enemy was not approaching, the appearance being due to mirage, which also explains the similar (false) appearances at 0325.
Phase 0550 (B) to 0851 (B)
18. 0550 (B). Suffolk's course 220°, 29 knots, following the enemy.
0553 (B). Heavy gun flashes bearing 185°. Half a minute later Bismarck opened fire to port.
As I wrote you, ... you have no way to refute this now, ...
Bye Antonio
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