Re: Bismarck original KTB still existing ?
Posted: Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:47 pm
Hello Alberto,
I do indeed consider you a friend and am very pleased we are mutual in this, however that doesn't mean we have to agree about everything. It is as a friend that I would like you to abandon your support for this campaign of trumped-up allegations of cowardice, lying, falsification of records and engage in genuine fair-minded research and analysis again. I would also ask you to stop misrepresenting the report of "a mast" by Busch as identification of Suffolk.
I don't think it is partisan to call Brinkmann's turn away "panicking". Torpedoes fired by Hood would have to have been fired at c 24,000 yds to have reached the vicinity of PG when the alarm, one of several spurious alarms that morning, was given. Brinkmann's over-reaction disrupted the flagship as well. Vizeadmiral Schmundt whilst calling PG's action in staying in the line, "courageous" then immediately proceeds to why they were not approved and a bad idea. He particularly outlines the damaging effect of a heavy calibre hit on this "poorly armoured vessel". PG was of course far better armoured and had a much bigger displacement than the County class cruisers. How's that for applying the same even-handed parameters to British and German alike?
Roger Backhouse as Pound's predecessor (as 1st Sea Lord- also died of a brain tumour ) features large in Robin Brodhurst's Churchill's Anchor which I thoroughly recommend for purchase. He says this of your favourite personnel assessor: "When C-in-C of the Home Fleet he was an even worse centralizer than Pound, and his chief of staff, Bertie Ramsay one of the Royal Navy's most gifted officers, remonstrated with him. Ramsay was told by Backhouse that he could not change his habits and, if he didn't like them he (Ramsay) had better go. Ramsay resigned and was placed on the retired list. Happily he was recalled by Pound in September 1939 as Vice-Admiral, Dover......." Errr, yes that is the Bertie Ramsay who masterminded, along with his trusted at-sea representative Frederic Wake-Walker, the successful extraction of the BEF from the jaws of Doom at Dunkirk. And later went on to mastermind Operation Neptune the naval element of Overlord using the landing craft his trusted former subordinate had overseen the construction of.
So I think we can all safely forget all about Roger Backhouse's assessment (do you agree?), unless someone discovers he was a actually a Nazi mole trying to destroy the careers of not one, but two of the Royal Navy's most outstanding WWII officers
All the best
wadinga
I do indeed consider you a friend and am very pleased we are mutual in this, however that doesn't mean we have to agree about everything. It is as a friend that I would like you to abandon your support for this campaign of trumped-up allegations of cowardice, lying, falsification of records and engage in genuine fair-minded research and analysis again. I would also ask you to stop misrepresenting the report of "a mast" by Busch as identification of Suffolk.
I don't think it is partisan to call Brinkmann's turn away "panicking". Torpedoes fired by Hood would have to have been fired at c 24,000 yds to have reached the vicinity of PG when the alarm, one of several spurious alarms that morning, was given. Brinkmann's over-reaction disrupted the flagship as well. Vizeadmiral Schmundt whilst calling PG's action in staying in the line, "courageous" then immediately proceeds to why they were not approved and a bad idea. He particularly outlines the damaging effect of a heavy calibre hit on this "poorly armoured vessel". PG was of course far better armoured and had a much bigger displacement than the County class cruisers. How's that for applying the same even-handed parameters to British and German alike?
Roger Backhouse as Pound's predecessor (as 1st Sea Lord- also died of a brain tumour ) features large in Robin Brodhurst's Churchill's Anchor which I thoroughly recommend for purchase. He says this of your favourite personnel assessor: "When C-in-C of the Home Fleet he was an even worse centralizer than Pound, and his chief of staff, Bertie Ramsay one of the Royal Navy's most gifted officers, remonstrated with him. Ramsay was told by Backhouse that he could not change his habits and, if he didn't like them he (Ramsay) had better go. Ramsay resigned and was placed on the retired list. Happily he was recalled by Pound in September 1939 as Vice-Admiral, Dover......." Errr, yes that is the Bertie Ramsay who masterminded, along with his trusted at-sea representative Frederic Wake-Walker, the successful extraction of the BEF from the jaws of Doom at Dunkirk. And later went on to mastermind Operation Neptune the naval element of Overlord using the landing craft his trusted former subordinate had overseen the construction of.
So I think we can all safely forget all about Roger Backhouse's assessment (do you agree?), unless someone discovers he was a actually a Nazi mole trying to destroy the careers of not one, but two of the Royal Navy's most outstanding WWII officers
All the best
wadinga