The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

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Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

Post by Alberto Virtuani » Tue May 15, 2018 4:57 pm

Hello everybody,

please read again here Ellis autobiography (viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8244#p77033) to realize how Mr.Wadinga assertion regarding Ellis admitting his errors is only VERY PARTIALLY true.

He HAD to conform to his timid and incompetent admiral, who had called him to the port side of enemy, who was following him closely instead of spreading his ships around Bismarck and who gave him freedom to act independently too late, when light conditions were not allowing to do any maneuver to take a better position without risking a loss of contact.
These reasons are written in clear and not put in the official report for "reasons of tact" only.... :lol:


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Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

Post by wadinga » Wed May 16, 2018 2:11 pm

Hello Alberto,

Incorrect

we've been here before.
From Ellis' Report of Proceedings

02:10B Adjusted plot by the amount of the difference between Norfolk's reported 01:22B position and her visible position relative to Suffolk. transfer 232 degrees 9.5 miles


So it was by no means "too late" as Norfolk was still easily visible at 02:10.

As the 1941 Ellis owns up, it was his fault for operating so close to the range limit of the Type 284 that his zig-zags took him out of effective range. Even on his turn away legs the target was well within the DCT traverse range. As Dave Saxton has suggested, "resting" the Type 284 was considered necessary, but in this case the result was as bad as it failing in service.
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Re: The loss of contact (May 24 / 25)

Post by Alberto Virtuani » Wed May 16, 2018 2:27 pm

Hello everybody,

for the first time since long, Mr.Wadinga is right: we have been here already and answered too..... :stubborn:
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After this, Mr.Wadinga changed argument and now is back with the same comment, just to HAVE THE LAST WORD in this thread too......
Wretched....

Bye, Alberto
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