You are the one mistaken [commentary redacted WJJ]Alberto Virtuani wrote: ↑Mon May 20, 2019 7:32 amHello everybody,
is someone trying to find a "revenge" for the bad error made (viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8552&start=135#p83637) ? A childish behavior IMO.
Not at all. You are just superficially reading and mentioning the documents. Please try to be more precise referencing the material you post.Dunmunro wrote: "You have made a mistake here and appear to have misread the GAR...you have misread the GAR which itself contains a typo...on page 144, as you can see by reading paragraph 3 on page 140 ."
Pag 140 and 141 of ADM 234-509) are not from the KGV GAR. You are reading the high level narrative of Capt.Patterson, not the gunnery report: we cannot know whether the narrative or the GAR is right in their interval subdivision when stating that 14 straddles were obtained. For sure in the GAR there is no "typo", in case just a repeated, confirmed "error" (see GAR snapshot).
In any case, even if the GAR is wrong and the narrative is right and you "prefer" to discard the GAR, distances varied from 20500 (first straddle) to 12000 yards ("last" straddle), a much shorter distance than PoW on May24 (21150 - 16450), therefore nothing really changes in the comparison (viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8552&start=135#p83648) between KGV and PoW.
This discrepancy between GAR and narrative, just confirms that KGV report is extremely poorly written, as I always said, when you were trying to build a salvo plot based on such a report...
The excuse of "typos" is so often used by this forum member that it start to become his own "mantra", when inconvenient information is found in the official documents. Please open your eyes and face reality instead of looking for "typos" everywhere.
Apologies accepted (viewtopic.php?f=1&t=8552&start=150#p83658). Errors are just human. Persisting in errors is devilish.Byron Angel wrote: "My apologies. I must have been corresponding with another party using the same name"
Captain Patterson's narrative and the enclosures discussing various aspects of the gunnery action against Bismarck are part of section XIII as per page 139. You and Antonio have repeatedly referred to this as KGV's GAR in the past.
You misread the report and claimed that KGV's 14 straddles from 0853-0913 were from 16k to 12K yds, when this was not the case, and it can easily be confirmed via the track chart. Captain Patterson's narrative states that the 14 straddles were from 0854-0913 (page 141 paragraph 5), but here he is using the time of actual straddles, including the time of flight of the shells, whereas on page 144 paragraph 3, they are using the time of firing.
KGV's report assumes that the reader has some understanding of the material and for those who don't it might seem confusing.