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Re: Forum Members Observations

Post by lwd » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:48 pm

minoru genda wrote:... the way you challenge people, (particularly Karl Heindenreich), quoting every single sentence, asking for a source everytime, etc. even if you get the facts right, it is many times counterproductive.
Is it? I find it quite productive. I try to quote the sentances that I am responding to so it's clear what I disagree with and why. As for sources. I don't ask every time but if a matter is questionable it helps to have a source. Some are bad some are good most point to other sources for those inclinded to do more researche. Indeed especially when material is not quoted directly or the extract is small the possibility of a misunderstanding or takiing something out of context exist. That's why I try to include sources when I post something. It gives my opponents, supporters, and those just wishing to learn more a point of departure. If the overall goal is to learn more I don't see how that can be counter productive.
That attitude may have the opposite effect and make other people afraid to ask and and shy to participate in further discussions.
So do most other attitudes. If you wan to learn about a subject an opinion that cannot be supported has little value. Indeed answering in such a way is quite benefical to those that ask questions and I think encourages it. It does discourage those who just want to state an opinion and have it accepted as fact. Not a bad thing in my opinion.
People should be able to participate in the forum without feeling they are taking a test being watched by "teacher lwd" who is keeping an eye of everything said and ready to put things straight.
Well on a forum like this if you post something that is wrong or questionable you should expect it to be questions. I certainly expect to and many here are indeed quick to challenge me if I do.
User Mckenny is another example, with his obsession of Tiger tanks and trying to demonstrate at all cost his points of view no matter if he humiliates the "stupid ignorant on the other side".
Again even if he is right, the way he address people is not nice either.
When someone posts something that doesn't look reasonable and continues to stand by it when you think you've posted a pretty clear expanation of why they are wrong it's easy to wax somewhat sarcastic. You will note that that is a fairly common reaction both here and elsewhere. Was your initial post any better?
...How many threads have you guys started? All I can see is a series of quotes questioning what others say. Why don't you give others the chance to question what you say?
I've started a few and made enough posts that it's fairly easy to question what I say. However one of the main points I've made in a lot of my posts is that people often jumpt to a conslusion when it's not warrented. If you for instance say "A" happened. It may have but there may also be evidence that it didn't or that "B" happened instead. Many times I challenge the certainty rather than the event. Indeed if someone is very certain that there is no alternative to something they should be able to support it shouldn't they?
I don't like Mr. Heidenreich behaviour either. ....
Karl has very passionate and firm beliefs in a number (most?)of areas. While I do find some of his habbits irritating I'm prety sure he finds me the same. Inspite of this I'm fairly sure we both respect and like each other. In trying to challenge those beliefs I've certainly learned a lot and in his defence of them and challengeing mine I've learned a lot as well. If you don't want to follow a thread that's certainly an option and in many cases may be the best one. However if you think someone is being unreasonable or objectionable consider a pm. Some things are better settled elsewhere than in a public forum but worth discussing.

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Re: Forum Members Observations

Post by yellowtail3 » Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:59 pm

I'm still waiting to hear from our little Genda which he is - Good, Bad, or Ugly?

I'm guessing he rates hisself as The Good, or maybe... above the fray? Voice of reason? Maybe... politician?
Shift Colors... underway.

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Re: Forum Members Observations

Post by hammy » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:29 pm

Can we have a fourth class please -- " Dead Drunk Most Of the Time " ?

Only I'd have somewhere to go then .
" Relax ! No-one else is going to be fool enough to be sailing about in this fog ."

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Re: Forum Members Observations

Post by Karl Heidenreich » Mon Jan 11, 2010 8:47 pm

lwd:
Karl has very passionate and firm beliefs in a number (most?)of areas. While I do find some of his habbits irritating I'm prety sure he finds me the same. Inspite of this I'm fairly sure we both respect and like each other. In trying to challenge those beliefs I've certainly learned a lot and in his defence of them and challengeing mine I've learned a lot as well. If you don't want to follow a thread that's certainly an option and in many cases may be the best one. However if you think someone is being unreasonable or objectionable consider a pm. Some things are better settled elsewhere than in a public forum but worth discussing.
I must admit that without this "testing" I would have never find necesary to start reading and learning a lot of stuff. Sometimes the heat of a particular thread has gone too far, but if you scrutiniced it when I have gone too far I step back and inmediately cool down. Sometimes the "teacher lwd" is a bit irritating but I can live with that and, honestly, the forum is not going to be the same if you don´t expect Lee to come forward, disect your ideas and start questioning them. As I welcome Genda´s heads up I welcome lwd´s stuff... well, most of the time.

yellowtail3:
I'm still waiting to hear from our little Genda which he is - Good, Bad, or Ugly?
Let´s remember that in the spagetti western even the good guy wasn´t that good. So, it´s deceiving.

hammy:
Can we have a fourth class please -- " Dead Drunk Most Of the Time " ?
I once read that the only real manly work in our socialist sissy society was to be "alcoholic fiction writer". Maybe that´s what we all are heading.
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Sir Winston Churchill

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