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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby Byron Angel » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:55 pm

That depends on what you call extreme. To me any person actively involved in promoting a religion - whatever that religion is as I am atheist - is unattractive. That was my main objection to Romney. You may say that he didn't push his religion during his campaign, but it was always in the background and was used where it was to his advantage, such as in Utah where he achieved some 70%+ of the vote.


..... Perhaps distance clouds your perceptions of the recent US presidential campaign. Religion was manifestly NOT a part of any candidate's campaign. Support for Romney by the Mormon community is no more surprising than the support displayed by Catholics for Kennedy or by Greek Orthodox for Dukakis. Post election commentary alleges that Romney's Mormon background actually cost him support among the large US Evangelical community.


The hispanic vote is rapidly growing, and a larger proportion of it is leaning towards the Republican values of anti-socialism, self-reliance and private enterprise, especially in the southern and western states, yet a large part of the Republican Party doesn't want their support because they are not within the WASP stereotype.


..... That sentiment may well prevail in certain precincts ofthe Republican party, but the degree to which it does across the party in its entirety is unclear.


The handling of the immigration issue was handled with a bullet headed insensitivity.


..... The immigration question in the US can be boiled down to this: should the USA have an orderly immigration policy, or should it just throw the door open indiscriminately? The Right believes in the former; the Left believes in the latter.


Romney couldn't even win in Florida, whereas Jeb Bush won the goverorship with ease.


..... Can't prove it, but, considering that FL has a Republican governor and legislature, large scale vote fraud in the urban districts may have had a hand in things.


Romney couldn't carry the state of California yet Arnie could.


..... This is rather a LONG reach. CA is one of bluest of the blue states.


Romney couldn't carry his home state, yet Reagan did so twice.


..... This is an even LONGER reach. MA is the bluest ofthe blue states. I live here. We call it "Marxachusetts"


The Republicans threw away this election. To me Obama looked a lot weaker than four years ago, when he allowed the media to promote him on the basis of his alleged skin colour. That bias was lacking this time and he looked vulnerable.


..... I quite agree. These election results do not add up. Nor do they track with recent trends. My unprovable suspicion is vote fraud in the urban districts. Read about the shenanigans which occurred in Philadelphia on election day, where Republican poll watcher were physically driven from the poll sites and some wards showed returns of 99.5% votes for 0bama. Statistically impossible IMHO.


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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby Dave Saxton » Fri Nov 09, 2012 4:22 pm

Some of the post election analysis is suggesting that the repubican party needs to re-make itself to appeal to to various minority groups by backing off on social issues such as gay marriage, abortion, drugs...ect..

That doesn't make sense to me, because blacks are overwhelming against gay marriage, even in Cali. Such a flip flop will certainly not help to persuade blacks to adopt more conservative politics. Likewise, hispanics are strongly Roman Catholic. They even go to mass. Therein lay the way to reach these demographic groups for republicans, and I suspect that the demos are trying to hood wink the republicans into throwing away this opprotunity.

But I think there was a small amount (evangelicals largely voted Romney) of backlash against Romney's Mormon faith. I heard yesterday that the conservative Christian voter turn out among registered republicans was actually less this time than in 08. Considering how close the margins were in the key swing states that could have been the difference right there.

Also Byron, I'm sure there was voter fraud. There was in 08 as it turned out, but in 08 the margin of victory was such that it didn't matter. This time around, however, the margins were so close that it would make a difference. What is interesting is that the absentee ballots were requested more from registered republicans this time around with many republicans voting early. What happened to them? Were they thrown out in the urban districts? What about the mail in military vote? In 08 many military votes were indeed thrown out and not counted. Romney was endorsed by more than 500 retired admirals and generals.
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby RF » Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:38 pm

They may be long reaches in a presidential election Byron, but Arnie did win in California and Romney himself was governor of Massachussets, a state where Reagan won in 1980 and 1984.

There will always be allegations of voter fraud, we get it in Britain too in some of our cities.
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby Byron Angel » Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:55 am

RF wrote:They may be long reaches in a presidential election Byron, but Arnie did win in California and Romney himself was governor of Massachussets, a state where Reagan won in 1980 and 1984.

There will always be allegations of voter fraud, we get it in Britain too in some of our cities.



..... Look at the degree of Democratic political control in the CA legislature and in the major cities. Schwarzenegger was an amusing anomaly, courtesy of the self-induced political implosion of his predecessor, Democratic governor Gray Davis. No possibility whatsoever existed for Romney to carry that state. There is a very good reason why the Romney campaign opted not to expend major campaign resources in a state that by itself represents 20 percent of the electroal vote total necessary to win the presidency.

Marxachusetts is an even more extreme case. It does have a quaint history of electing Republican governors from time to time. But the Democratic party has a death grip on political control of MA, holding overwhelmingly veto-proof majorities in both houses of the state legislature for the past SIX DECADES (IIRC). Reagan was the only Republican presidential candidate since Eisenhower (1956) to carry the state.


Vote fraud is not a matter of ellegation; it is a matter of fact in this country and IMO is practiced on an industrial scale.


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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby Byron Angel » Sat Nov 10, 2012 2:58 am

Dave Saxton wrote:I'm sure there was voter fraud. There was in 08 as it turned out, but in 08 the margin of victory was such that it didn't matter. This time around, however, the margins were so close that it would make a difference. What is interesting is that the absentee ballots were requested more from registered republicans this time around with many republicans voting early. What happened to them? Were they thrown out in the urban districts? What about the mail in military vote? In 08 many military votes were indeed thrown out and not counted. Romney was endorsed by more than 500 retired admirals and generals.



..... Couldn't agree more, Dave. Our voting system is a disaster and a digrace and no one appears willing to do a thing about it.


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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby RF » Sun Nov 11, 2012 6:26 pm

What would you do to improve matters?
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby Dave Saxton » Sun Nov 11, 2012 10:02 pm

Normally, a free an objective press acts a counter to corruption by exposing it. However, the press is an ally to Obama and the statest forces. Just look at the coverage of the Bengazi fiasco before and after the election. Any allegations of vote fraud during this election will be reported as embittered crack pots pursuing a conspiracy theory. If its not exposed or the people don't care; then what? This is really at the heart of the problem.

People are not well informed or well educated about economics, history, or current events, and what is feed as news to the people is actually propaganda. There's Fox News and talk radio, but many people dismiss them as being far right advocates and figure that the truth lay somewhere in between Fox and CNN. Actually, Fox pulls punches so they don't look too far out of the main stream. What is presented as main stream in the media is actually pretty far left. Just the tone that a news person puts on a factual report can influence how it is precieved.

Also the far left bias of higher education certainly has had an effect. Young people have been indoctrinated by what is little more than thinnly veiled marxism for decades. Many people as they grow older get wise to it, but what Obama has done is energize young voters, especially single young women to vote. Previously to Obama, this demographic did not actually show up to vote.
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby RF » Mon Nov 12, 2012 9:01 am

Not that different really to Britain, most of our press and the BBC follows the agenda of the main ''establishment'' interest groups to maintain the status quo and our three main political parties are practically identical.

In that scenario voter fraud isn't really necessary. What is significant is that more than a third of our electorate never votes in any election. Fifty years ago election turnout was 80%+
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby Byron Angel » Mon Nov 12, 2012 5:17 pm

RF wrote:What would you do to improve matters?



..... The UN sponsored election observers who attended this US presidential election were amazed that no real procedure exists (any longer) to verify voter qualification. It is possible today to walk into your local motor vehicle registry and register as a legitimate voter without having to provide any proof of citizenship or residence beyond your own assertions ("motor voter" legislation). In many other states you can also walk into a polling booth, register and vote right on election day - again with little or no proof of qualifiation or residency. That just scratches the surface of the problem. Management of polling places in the large urban centers is in the firm control of corrupt political operatives who stuff ballot boxes in the old fashioned time-honored tradition, enable multiple voting by the living, arrange votes by the dead, abuse the absentee ballot system, and operate endless other creative schemes to obtain their goal.

Nothing will be done until the political will emerges to suppress organized vote fraud and re-establish a more honest voting system. That will not happen soon. if at all. Our overall political and judicial systems are likewise corrupt, with many reliant upon such vote fraud to remain in power. I regret to say that I foresee a long slow descent into some form of socialist/fascist dictatorship.


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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby Dave Saxton » Tue Nov 13, 2012 5:32 am

RF wrote:Not that different really to Britain, most of our press and the BBC follows the agenda of the main ''establishment'' interest groups to maintain the status quo and our three main political parties are practically identical....


That's what happens when a nation becomes a welfare state. The politcal parties just argue about who can manage the welfare state better.
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby Dave Saxton » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:05 pm

Ann Coulter's Feb 6th column is most interesting:

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2013- ... #read_more
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby RF » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:40 am

I have tried this link several times now and it isn't working - has the web page been withdrawn?
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby Dave Saxton » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:24 pm

I just tryed it and it worked for me. Perhaps it doesn't work out side the US or something? I was going to just copy and paste it, but I'm not sure about the legality. Maybe Jose knows if that is okay?
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby ede144 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:54 pm

It works
outside the US, at least on the continent;-)

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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby RF » Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:28 am

The link is now working OK so it seems to have been a temporary glitch.

Yes, the Republicans do have a primary problem but that really is in the nature of the party.

The bottom line is that they nominated the wrong candidate, something they are very good at doing.

I might add that I have also seen quite a lot about Ron Pauls' supporters being excluded from the nomination process including allegations of ''unfair'' practice in delegate selection. This issue of how much support Ron Paul actually has should, in my opinion, have been properly tested in November by Ron Paul running as a third party candidate. See how many votes he would have got - and whether he would have done better than Perot did when he stood.
Who knows - he might even have got to the White House!
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