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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby frontkampfer » Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:38 am

barry's got air cover from the press. If they challenged him half of what they did to Bush his numbers would be in the 20-30% approval. This election IS ABOUT THE HEART AND SOUL OF THIS COUNTRY. I am afraid that many people have bought into the politics of class warfare and the soft tyranny of the welfare state. If he is reelected we will become Greece!
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby Dave Saxton » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:11 pm

RF wrote:, Obama seems to be narrowly in front.


The press/pollsters were reporting the same thing about Kerry in 04 right up to when election polls closed too. The media is strongly biased and paint the best picture on the liberal and worst on the conservative.
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Obama's economic vision

Postby Dave Saxton » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:42 pm

Of course only a fool would fail to see that Obama espouses collectivism at all levels; local, state, federal -with strong federal control- and internationally. He is not a champion of individualism, indvidual rights, especailly private property rights; as he believes strongly that Gov should confiscate private property in terms of earnings and assets and redistribute it. He also believes in the redistribution of power and resourses on the international level. Hence cap and trade, and killing the domestic energy industry while promoting it abroad.

At a dinner for presidential historians at the White House he spoke to what kind of economy he would like the US to develop as he "fundamentally changes things":

Obama indicated that he had a preference for a corporatist political system in which the economy would be collectively managed by big employers, big labor unions, and government officials through a formal mechanism at the nation level. Also known as state capitalism (fascism), it is a system in which government picks winners and promotes economic growth...(Ed klein)


I didn't know he was a admirer of Mussolini but I guess he is.
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Obama's dangerous and amaturistic middle east policies

Postby Dave Saxton » Fri Sep 14, 2012 2:58 pm

Obama see's the the key to solving the middle east problems as being simply the Israelis (the bad guys in his view) and palistinians making peace in a two state solution, coupled with complete US and Western European withdrawl from the area. He believes everything will fall into place once this happens. Iran will have no more reason to pursue nuclear weapons and the other muslim nation states will just begin to play nice.

Unbelievable!
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Re: Obama's economic vision

Postby RF » Fri Sep 14, 2012 5:47 pm

Dave Saxton wrote:I didn't know he was a admirer of Mussolini but I guess he is.


Does Obama want to smash the AFL/CIO with Blackshirt thugs? Does he want bombard the blacks in the Deep South with mustard gas and shoot them with dum dum bullets? Does he want to create a colonial empire in Africa? Does he want to the US to quit the UN and kick it out of the US? Would he want to conquer Mexico and make them all speak English? Will he be wearing fancy military uniforms rather like Gadaffi and review hordes of goose stepping US soldiers outside the White House, with his arm outstretched in the Roman salute?

Now theres an interesting platform. Not even George Wallace was accused of wanting any of these...... and he was a Democrat....
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby Dave Saxton » Fri Sep 14, 2012 7:11 pm

Na, just a common need for intervention in North Africa.....

Of course you know that my comment was entirely within the context of economic philosophy?
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby Byron Angel » Sat Sep 15, 2012 2:44 pm

RF wrote:So the Republican ticket is Romney/Ryan. So far there seems little enthusiasm for this candidacy, Obama seems to be narrowly in front.



RF ..... Be skeptical of whatever you see or hear or read in the US media at this time; 90% of it is political spin, distortion and hyperbole. Even the political polls are meaningless, as most are media-generated and over-sample or under-sample respondent groups depending upon what pre-ordained result they wish to produce. Reagan was shown in the "polls" as down against Carter by double digits shortly before one of the greatest landslide victories in American political history. Finding the real truth would require Sherlock Holmes and Diogenes.

As for Romney, he was governor of my state for a term. Although I am not in agreement with certain of his political positions, he is IMO an honest and competent man with proper real world managerial skills, no skeletons, a very successful CV in both the private and public sectors, and a demonstrated ability to work with the political opposition to actually get things done (my state of Massachusetts is colloquially known as Marxachusetts for a reason). His biggest problem is that he appears stiff, perhaps uncomfortable, before the camera; in a nation that selects its leaders by TV, that can be a problem.

I personally see this election as a contest between a demagogue and an adult. I'm voting for the adult.


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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby frontkampfer » Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:40 pm

Same here! I shudder to think what would happen to the country if barry is reelected. Romney is not barry and that's all that matters to me!
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby RF » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:37 pm

Dave Saxton wrote:Of course you know that my comment was entirely within the context of economic philosophy?


Yes - but the Duce in embracing corporatism was from the standpoint of a supra-national state, his economic philosophy was more in common with mercantilism than social democracy; Obama isn't a mercantilist
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby RF » Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:44 pm

Byron Angel wrote:As for Romney, he was governor of my state for a term.


Well, Reagan of course won in Massachussetts in both 1980 and 1984, something Nixon failed to do in 1972.

We shall see in November what the substance is. Latest reports on the BBC identify Minnesota as another vulnerable state for the Democrats, if so Romney certainly has a chance.
What sunk Carter was the hostages in Iran. Whereas of course Obama gets the credit for getting rid of Bin Laden, where George Bush junior failed.
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby Dave Saxton » Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:02 pm

RF wrote:
Dave Saxton wrote:Of course you know that my comment was entirely within the context of economic philosophy?


Yes - but the Duce in embracing corporatism was from the standpoint of a supra-national state, his economic philosophy was more in common with mercantilism than social democracy; Obama isn't a mercantilist


Nobody knows what Obama is do they? Any Ideas? Hope and Change without ever actually defining it for the last five years. This way he stood for what any voter imagined or hoped he stood for 08. Now he has a terrible record that defines what he is to some extent though. He's a Marxist/socialist to a large extent? Or is it something more complex? Is he just a complete imcompetent? He's most definately Anti- The US Constitution. The Constitution is hanging by a thread. Much of his record correlates to what his biological father wrote in articles published by the East African Socialist Journal in the 1960s. But it's still ambiguous. Dinet D'Sousa posits that his policies are driven by a deep seated anti-colonalism and a sorta enforced international socialist vision of the future.
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby RF » Tue Sep 18, 2012 7:58 am

Dave Saxton wrote: Nobody knows what Obama is do they?


But this sort of politician is nothing new. In Britain there is a phrase about a politician being ''all things to all people'' a politician who spews out cliches and platitudes that because they are meaningless they offend no-one. Our Obama is David Cameron, the new Tony Blair.

My impression of Obama was that in 2008 he covertly traded on his alleged skin colour, he was elected as the USA's ''first black president'' even though he quite patently isn't black but is of mixed race.
This time he doesn't have the race card to play. Unfortunately the Republican Party doesn't have somebody better than Romney to oppose him.

It would have been interesting if the Republicans had nominated Condaleeza Rice as their presidential candidate - a candidate who is more ''black'' than Obama, is a woman and comes from the Deep South - just the sort of candidate that should appeal to Obama's constituency.....
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby RF » Wed Oct 24, 2012 7:49 am

I see that some US news media made some coverage of a televised debate between some of the third party candidates, including the Libertarian Party, the Constitution Party and Green Party candidates.
Given the stodge offered up by the two duopooly parties such a debate comes over as rather more refeshing. It is unfortunate that these candidates aren't given a much higher profile. If I were a US voter then Ithink I would be voting for the Libertarian candidate and certainly not Romney or Obama.
But then I believe in voting for what I really want, regardless of their chances of winning. That is how voting should happen in a true democracy.
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby frontkampfer » Wed Oct 24, 2012 12:30 pm

RF,

I would agree with you except in the US, the system is set up so only the two major partys have a chance to win. While I am a registered Republican, my views are more conservative than the party "insiders". That is why, in part, the TEA Party has risen and come to be a factor in the nomination and in more cases than not, the election of conservative Republicans as was shown in 2010.
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Re: Herman Cain for US President?

Postby RF » Wed Oct 24, 2012 6:13 pm

I agree that the US is clearly a two party state, BUT the system doesn't completely prohibit third parties who have grassroots organisation that can get their candidates on the ballot - look at Ross Perot in 1992 and 1996, Anderson in 1980, Wallace and Schmitz in 1968 and 1972 respectively and going back further Strom Thurmond in 1948 and even Theodore Roosevelt in 1912, a Republican who soundly beat the official Republican incumbant president into third place in both the popular vote and in the electoral college.

I believe a third party candidate could win - what it would need is concentrated support in some of the big states, and with a first past the post voting system which gives the entire state electoral college vote to the leading canidate, the winner could get a clear majority in the electoral college with less than one third of the popular vote. If there was a fourth party candidate as well, then a president -elect could get a majority in the electoral college on the basis of just one quarter of the popular vote.
All it needs is an issue, together with a well known but credible maverick standing against unpopular official nominees in the TV debates to break the two party duopoly.

It could happen.
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