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Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby RF » Mon Mar 23, 2015 6:40 pm

With the US Presidential election falling due next year I was wondering what the American members of this forum thought of his policies and chances of being the next President.
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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby frontkampfer » Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:11 am

I am a Conservative. I was a lifelong Republican and I left the party after Romney's defeat in 12. I left because neither him nor McCain before him had the guts to take the gloves off with barry and meet him head on. I want a candidate that stands for something, as did Regan! I support Cruz because he has principals and stands on them. No more wishy-washy rino's (republican in name only). The country is disintegrating before my eyes. The democrats are doing everything to destroy as much of the Constitution as they can before barry leaves office. He is as lawless a tyrant as George III ever was. He's sized power to make laws that he does not have under the Constitution. He's stuffed the federal bureaucracy with ideologues who are choking the country with leftist-enviro policies. barry has stated he wants to fundamentally transform America. That only proves he hates this country because you don't fundamentally transform something you say you love. He wants to turn this country into a socialist welfare state and hollow out our military and diminish our standing in the world. He embraces our enemies and slams our allies. I want someone to fight for the values that made this country great. jeb bush will not do that. If he gets the nomination I will never vote for a republican for president for the rest of my life. Ted Cruz stands for my values and I stand with him. I apologize for my rant but that's my stand and I'm sticking to it!
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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby Dave Saxton » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:07 am

I saw Cruz's speech on TV today. Very Impressive. Its easy to see why both the establishment old guard and the modern, thoroughly radical, Democratic Party, left wing activists globally, and their main stream media propagandists, are scared to death of this guy.
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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby Byron Angel » Tue Mar 24, 2015 3:12 am

Pretty much agree with FK. The current leadership of the Republican Party is totally out of touch with the current dire social, political, diplomatic and economic situation in this country. They are either too interested in maintaining their present privileges at the Federal money trough to do anything about this ongoing dismantling of our Constitutional republic or they are completely bereft of any ideas to combat the threat. Either way, it is high time for new blood.

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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby Garyt » Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:36 pm

I would love to see Cruz win the nomination, as he does not have a chance of winning the election. The far hard right, some with Tea Party ties do not have a chance of winning, a moderate like McCain or Romney might.

The Tea party does a great job (I must commend the Koch brothers who bankroll the movement) of making middle class white Americans think that they benefit from the laws written and changed to benefit the Koch brothers and others of their Ilk.

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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby Dave Saxton » Mon Mar 30, 2015 8:43 pm

I would love to see Cruz win the nomination, as he does not have a chance of winning the election. The far hard right, some with Tea Party ties do not have a chance of winning, a moderate like McCain or Romney might.


They said those same things about Reagan. Reagan won. McCain and Romney didn't.
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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby Garyt » Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:48 pm

They said those same things about Reagan. Reagan won. McCain and Romney didn't.


Can't even remotely compare Reagan vs. the current right wing repubs.

A for instance:

Under Reagan, the highest tax bracket was 50%. Under Obama, (Obama, mind you) the highest fed tax bracket thru most of his time in office has been 35%.

I've picked the start of the third term for these two presidents as to where a "higher" tax bracket kicked in. Under Obama, in 2012 the 35% tax rate kicked in at kicked at at $388,000

In 1984, under Reagan, a 38% kicked in at $45,000. Even adjusted for inflation, This is only $101,000.

Another idea - adjusting income to Index by inflation, what is the fed tax rate on someone making their $140,000 dollar, and any income above that? (using married filing jointly)

2012 Obama - 25%

1984, Reagan - the income of $140,000 adjusted to $63,000 due to inflation. The Fed bracket here would be 42% :shock:

I like to look at facts, not rhetoric. The new conservatives seem heavy on rhetoric and emotion, but a little light on their pants when it comes to fact (I'll even leave out that many conservatives believe Obama is not a US citizen, and some even believe Osama Bin Laden lives in a room in the White House :D ).

Reagan may have been a conservative, but he also would go across party lines to work with the other party. When we have Mitch McConnell, the most powerful republican in the House of Representatives at the time, making from day one his #1 goal to get rid of Obama - that speaks volumes as to the lack of cooperation that Obama was going to receive.

The #1 Goal was to get rid of Obama. Not safety of the people, not to reduce inflation, not to raise wages, not to see that the new generation of americans are better educated - no, none of these. Actually, I would think the goal would be for America to go badly for the next 4 years so Obama would be out of office.

When Obama took office, we had a fairly high unemployment rate. One of congress' first actions was to told the unemployed hostage, refusing to fund unemployment benefits if there was one penny of tax increase on those making over $300,000.

How crazy is that? The tax rate was much higher under Reagan.

But as to Cruz -He's nothing like Reagan, and for that matter Reagan probably would not recognize the current republican party. Cruz is way to far off of mainstream america to win an election - so again, I hope he gets the republican nomination.

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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby Dave Saxton » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:38 am

Garyt wrote: Cruz is way to far off of mainstream america to win an election


Says who? MSLSD? That's exactly what the Main Steam Media said about Reagan.

I don't care about Obama. He's not running. Don't let the door hit him in the you know what on the way out. The end of an error.

Even Cruz can beat Hillary. I wonder what dirt the Clintons have on Liz Warren?

Even if Cruz doesn't win the nomination he elevates the debate and he's already influencing the narrative, and he will shred any moderate or any Demo in any debate on any topic. What ever room he is in, he is the smartest person in that room. How the media has presented him is misleading and as he gains exposure people will begin to see it. The Demos better come up with somebody better than Hillary or Clueless Joe or you just might get Cruz this time around.
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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby Garyt » Tue Mar 31, 2015 1:49 am

Even if Cruz doesn't win the nomination he elevates the debate and he's already influencing the narrative, and he will shred any moderate or any Demo in any debate on any topic. What ever room he is in, he is the smartest person in that room.


Sounds like you have already decided who wins the debate before the debate begins. It's that type of pre-disposition that makes any debate to a point meaningless, if you are someone that has already chosen a winner before the contest begins it sends to be a self fulfilling prophecy.

If you can't approach a debate with an open mind you may as well not watch. I was more for Obama than Romney, but I'd admit the first debate went Romney's way.

It always seems the right bellyaches against the mainstream media saying they are biased. I think the problem is that when you listen to a Rush Limbaugh or someone similar and view their spin as fact, anything remotely resembling the truth appears to be biased.

It's rather amusing, a local Missouri politician was debating an issue, I forget most of the debate except for one statement he made - "Well, the facts are liberally biased" :shock:

BTW - I look at most politicians as partly bought and paid for by those that bribe them........er, I meant to say contribute to their campaign. If you have enough to contribute, you have a voice in politics.

As I do not have the millions it takes to get a law altered to my liking, I look at who best represents me after they are done taking care of their donors. Recently, it has been by far the Democratic party. Even though I am in the 75-80 percentile of income, the economics of the Dems works in my favor.

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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby Dave Saxton » Tue Mar 31, 2015 2:22 am

No, he is just that formidable. He graduated top of his class from Harvard. Harvard professors were and are in awe of his intellect. If his opponents go into this thinking that they can dismiss him as a loon or on the fringe or not in possession of the "facts" they will be in for a rude awakening. He cuts right through the typical media supported Democrat spin and BS.

I have not made up my mind yet on who to support, but I'm glad he's running. It will make everybody have to up their game.
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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby Garyt » Tue Mar 31, 2015 3:40 am

My dad was an investigative reporter, and what he always said was to follow the money trail. Does not matter if it's politics, crime, or some combination. If you follow the money trail, you find the motivation. Well, it may not work for religion :D

And I'm not a "obama can do no wrong" type. I think with the recent incident in Ferguson, he should have made as big of a splash announcing Darren Wilson's innocence as he did announcing that the DOJ would look into it. Unfortunatley, he was playing politics as well, as the black voters might have felt that he was not on their side had he made a strong statement to Wilson's innocence.

Would white voters possible take offence to this? To a point, but minority "civil rights" as almost a single issue voting basis to many black voters, it does not effect white voters to the same degree.

What I hated about the whole incident though - many on one of the local news blogs had already made their guilt or innocent determination, both for and against officer Wilson. The trial and later found facts of the matter were purely secondary. And this propensity to pre judge without reviewing the facts came from both sides. The sad thing is you could pretty well determine who was going to think guilty and who would think innocent based only upon their political leanings.

Which is why I was a bit snappy about what I took your statement to be a propensity to pre judge any debate involving Cruz.

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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby Byron Angel » Tue Mar 31, 2015 11:19 am

..... Follow the money indeed. But make sure that you hold responsible the people who are actually in control. It is Congress that controls the purse and sets tax rates, not the president. The Democrats held a veto-proof majority in the House of Representatives (where the control of the budget rests) during both of Reagan's terms; they held both houses of Congress from 1987. These same Democrats reneged on the original budget deal they made with Reagan when he first came to office and then, to add extra zest and excitement, precipitated the 1987 real estate market debacle and Savings and Loan collapse by arbitrarily turning the real estate investment tax code upside down.

I was around back then and, as far as I am concerned, Reagan saved the nation.

And Dave Saxton is spot on when he says that the criticisms currently being thrown at Cruz are exactly the same as those that were directed toward Reagan.

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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby frontkampfer » Tue Mar 31, 2015 12:25 pm

I'm with Byron and Dave. I too was around when Reagan ran and he did save the the nation from the barry of the day. People can mock Ted Cruz as much as they want, but the real reason they go after him is they are afraid of him because he is articulate and he doesn't back down. I want a fighter! The days of compromising on principals are past. The nation can not afford another 4-8 years of "fundamental change". Cruz has principals and I share them. Like him, I wear the scorn of left and the so-called main stream as a Badge of Honor. I've said my piece, make the most of it!
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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby Garyt » Tue Mar 31, 2015 6:24 pm

but the real reason they go after him is they are afraid of him because he is articulate and he doesn't back down. I want a fighter!


Personally I hope Ted Cruz does well in winning the nomination, as I think he has little chance of being elected. The only thing that might give him a win is if Hillary wins the Dem nomination and the US is not yet ready to elect a woman president.

I want a fighter!


I hear so much anger from the right, particularly the Shock Jocks such as Limbaugh or Glen Beck (the sad thing is that some people consider this news without realizing it is entertainment - it's like using the National Enquirer as a bible of the news of the day). What exactly is it you are fighting for?

Follow the money indeed. But make sure that you hold responsible the people who are actually in control. It is Congress that controls the purse and sets tax rates, not the president. The Democrats held a veto-proof majority in the House of Representatives (where the control of the budget rests) during both of Reagan's terms; they held both houses of Congress from 1987.


That was the 7th year when the Democrats controlled both. For his first 6 years, the Republicans controlled the Senate.

I did notice that under Reagan's administration the top tax bracket was scaled back from the 70%+ bracket it had been. Everyone mentions the "golden years" of taxes under Reagan. I would think it would surprise you that taxes are lower under Obama, if you would care to admit it. I hear many rightists say we need to go back to the tax system we had under Reagan. Then I tell them that apparently they are in favor of increasing individual taxes... :D

Personally, I am in favor of lowering the Corporate tax rate, and increasing the Individual to what we had under Reagan (indexed for inflation). We have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world and one of the lowest individual rates. Putting us more in the line with the rest of the world would encourage more business' to stay.

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Re: Senator Ted Cruz for US President?

Postby Byron Angel » Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:39 am

Good luck on your love affair with American socialism, Gary. I sense that you are a true believer. As for me, I am not sanguine about the prospects that lay in that political direction.

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