The Brits want out of the EU

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Re: The Brits want out of the EU

Postby RF » Sun Jul 17, 2016 4:56 pm

Gary wrote:Theresa May (our new PM) has said "Brexit means Brexit" and she has appointed David Davis, a staunch Euro-sceptic as BREXIT SECRETARY (a new cabinet post) so I think we are going in the right direction.


We shall see.

David Davis was a staunch supporter of John Major in the early 1990's who pushed Tory MP's hard into voting through the Maastricht Treaty.

Like Boris Johnson is he a true believer or just an own career promoter?
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Re: The Brits want out of the EU

Postby frontkampfer » Sun Jul 17, 2016 9:05 pm

To all in the UK who voted to leave the EU, I salute you in taking your country back! Unchecked immigration drives down wages of all workers. Good for businesses with the added benefit to an ever increasing voting block for lib politicians. Hold their feet to the fire and don't let them drag out the exit.
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Re: The Brits want out of the EU

Postby Dave Saxton » Sun Jul 17, 2016 10:19 pm

an ever increasing voting block for lib politicians.


Since this forum is read internationally the term lib or liberal might cause confusion. In the US and Canada the term means often the equivalent to socialist, certainly left of center politically leaning, and usually pro-big government. It is kind of misleading of the meaning as it is applied classically (certainly nothing envisioned by John Locke) and in most other places in the world. Sometimes the term is substituted by the term progressives, but since they seem to want to "progress" toward something more like Cuba or the late DDR I personally have started using the term Regressives.
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Re: The Brits want out of the EU

Postby paul.mercer » Mon Aug 01, 2016 9:31 pm

Gentlemen,
Now the referendum is over the country is beginning to take stock of the future and much to the surprise of the 'Remainers' it isn't proving to be so bleak after all. I voted 'Leave' because I realised that the EU was nothing like the original EEC that we signed up for in the 70's, since becoming the EU it has become an ever expanding empire that has designs on becoming a Federal United States of Europe run from Brussels with Germany calling the shots - as they already do now and as long as the EU has people like Juncker and Tusk in the Commission they will continue to swallow up more countries, (haven't we been there before not so long ago?)
Frankly, with the latest row over immigration into Europe and with country after country closing their borders I think that there are several EU countries that are seriously considering their position about remaining in the EU, particularly as it is becoming more and more dictatorial and I wouldn't be surprised to see the whole rotten system collapse and I have to say I would be the first to cheer!
As for the UK and GB in particular, we've often lived through difficult times in the past and survived even if the Scots b... off and do their own thing, it would be a greater loss to them then to us, especially if they have to join the failing Euro.
Lets get on and trigger article 50 and get out!

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Re: The Brits want out of the EU

Postby RF » Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:39 am

paul.mercer wrote:Gentlemen,
Now the referendum is over the country is beginning to take stock of the future and much to the surprise of the 'Remainers' it isn't proving to be so bleak after all.


I don't think its a surprise to them at all. Its simply that they didn't want Britain to be an independent country because it could mean that they lose their EU funding.....

The whole ''remain'' campaign was based on fear and intimidation of voters, with HM Government playing a key role in this by forcing the supposedly non-political civil service to support ''remain'' and by spending some £9 million of taxpayers money on Government propaganda leaflets delivered to every household.
Stand back from the media hullabaloo and you could see that the ''remain'' case was rather like the fable about the Emporer and his fine clothes. I must admit that I was very pleasantly surprised by the result, the media campaign of manipulation by fear and intimidation of voters came close to succeeding. I can remember the 1975 EEC referendum and the ''yes to Europe'' campaign was similar, but without the desperation and open bullying of the ''remain'' campaign - this time it was really over the top and people did react against it.
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Re: The Brits want out of the EU

Postby RF » Tue Aug 02, 2016 7:55 am

paul.mercer wrote: we've often lived through difficult times in the past and survived even if the Scots b... off and do their own thing, it would be a greater loss to them then to us, especially if they have to join the failing Euro.
Lets get on and trigger article 50 and get out!


I wouldn't be too concerned about the Scots wanting to leave the UK -simply more ''remain'' scaremongering.

Look at a few figures.

More Scots voted to remain in the UK than voted to remain in the EU - the Scottish independence referendum had a higher turnout of voters.

Over 1 million Scots voted to leave the EU, some 38% of the total Scottish vote. Some 36% of Scottish National Party voters voted for ''leave,'' in spite of the entire SNP leadership and Westminster MP's all vociferously supporting ''remain.''

There can't be another Scottish independence referendum without the consent of HM Government - and the new Prime Minister has said there won't be one.

The leadership of the SNP are opportunists and career seekers. Before Alex Salmond came along the SNP was hostile to the EEC and many SNP voters still reflect that.

So Scotland will leave the EU when the rest of the UK does regardless of whatever piffle the Scottish First Minister says..

With respect to Article 50 - when if ever will it be activated? A UKIP Government would simply repeal the European Communities Act of 1972, so Article 50 becomes a mere technicality. If HM Government wanted to Britain could leave the EU today by scrapping the 1972 Act.
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