President Trump: mid-term

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November_SSN
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Re: President Trump: mid-term

Post by November_SSN » Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:38 pm

I'm not from the USA, but if I was a citizen there in 2016, there'd be quite a decent chance that my left wing self would have voted for Trump, which is terrible in his own right, but far more benign than Clinton, which would have already plunged us into WW3.
That doesn't mean that Trump is good though... Especially when we're discussing kleptocracy. Because strangely enough, in 2017, a financial law reform made it very convenient for Russians to stash money in the USA through purchases of real estate and companies, allowing them to enjoy extremely low taxes compared to what they'd have to pay in Russia, which is already not that much compared to other countries.

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Re: President Trump: mid-term

Post by Byron Angel » Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:37 pm

November_SSN wrote:
Fri Oct 26, 2018 6:38 pm
I'm not from the USA, but if I was a citizen there in 2016, there'd be quite a decent chance that my left wing self would have voted for Trump, which is terrible in his own right, but far more benign than Clinton, which would have already plunged us into WW3.
That doesn't mean that Trump is good though... Especially when we're discussing kleptocracy. Because strangely enough, in 2017, a financial law reform made it very convenient for Russians to stash money in the USA through purchases of real estate and companies, allowing them to enjoy extremely low taxes compared to what they'd have to pay in Russia, which is already not that much compared to other countries.

Hi November_SSN,
We'll see what Trump does (deeds not words). The situation in the USA (IMO) is complicated and dangerous on multiple levels - more delicate than brain surgery in the dark IMO. I think you are probably correct re Mrs Clinton. I have been following her "career" since her time as "first lady and co-president") - an extremely unpleasant and untrustworthy woman ..... and I am being exceedingly polite in my description

International financial, investment and taxation agreements are highly complicated creatures which move along at a glacial pace in often unpredictable directions (crooks and politicians at the wheel). I do not pretend to be familiar with MCAA. The last such extravaganza I was briefed on was FATCA and I've already forgotten most of that. However, the following might add some texture; it seems that the program is a multi-step process subject to second-step negotiations between each pair of signator nations.

https://www.bdo.com/insights/tax/transf ... ted-states

Let us all keep our fingers crossed.

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Re: President Trump: mid-term

Post by November_SSN » Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:57 pm

Brain surgery in the dark is quite an appropriate comparison ; especially since Trump's words and actions do not correlate with each other at all. And that's not just words compared to actions, but words compared to other words and actions compared to other actions as well! There's no way to guess what will happen next with him, and I'm not yet sure whether this is better than knowing for sure what will happen, only to see that it's terrible.

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Re: President Trump: mid-term

Post by northcape » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:29 pm

"Nur die dümmsten Kälber
wählen sich ihren Schlächter selber"

(Only the dumbest cows of the flock
are happy to elect their butcher).

The final stage of destruction of the US society, started by unregulated capitalism with Reagan, can now be observed in real-time.

On average, the US citizen pays more for healthcare and gets much less services, compared to other western societies.

Same accounts for education.

With the exception of telecommunication and digital products, Infrastructure and quality of products is inferior to other western societies.

I am talking about products and infrastructure aiming at the public. The US are now doubt technology leaders, but this benefits a few only. The result of this wealth divide is a polarization of society, which leads to its disintegration and creates space for neo-fascists and other jerks by invoking nationalism to channel the anger of the underprivileged. Very simple, but it worked in Europe in the 1930ies and now you have the same here. It really is very simple - the whole idea is to keep a very small minority rich, which is the essence of unregulated capitalism.

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Re: President Trump: mid-term

Post by Byron Angel » Sun Dec 30, 2018 1:22 am

northcape wrote:
Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:29 pm
"Nur die dümmsten Kälber
wählen sich ihren Schlächter selber"

(Only the dumbest cows of the flock
are happy to elect their butcher).

The final stage of destruction of the US society, started by unregulated capitalism with Reagan, can now be observed in real-time.

On average, the US citizen pays more for healthcare and gets much less services, compared to other western societies.

Same accounts for education.

With the exception of telecommunication and digital products, Infrastructure and quality of products is inferior to other western societies.

I am talking about products and infrastructure aiming at the public. The US are now doubt technology leaders, but this benefits a few only. The result of this wealth divide is a polarization of society, which leads to its disintegration and creates space for neo-fascists and other jerks by invoking nationalism to channel the anger of the underprivileged. Very simple, but it worked in Europe in the 1930ies and now you have the same here. It really is very simple - the whole idea is to keep a very small minority rich, which is the essence of unregulated capitalism.
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Some of your assertions are IMO quite true - especially with respect to American education, which is in a disgraceful state. You are also (IMO) correct about the ambitions of a kleptocratic elite to accumulate endless wealth and ever greater dominance over a progressively more impoverished citizenry.

Some of your assertions I consider to be in error -
"Unregulated capitalism" has not existed in America since at least 1913. This country today effectively functions as a social welfare state and has been doing so for decades. I invite you to investigate the political sentiments of, say, the five or ten wealthiest plutocrats in America today ... you might be surprised.

This is not a left versus right or free enterprise versus socialism phenomenon. It is a struggle between a small but powerful faction of psychopathic political and economic predators versus a naïve and gullible citizen public. Be careful what you choose to read in the media, what you disdain to read and whom you choose to believe and disbelieve. Are you aware that 90 per cent of the American mass media, from print to radio to television to entertainment, is owned by six huge corporate entities? See who lead those organizations, who hold major investment positions, who sit on their boards of directors. Do not assume that the mass media: (a) tells the truth; (b) provides the entire story; (c) operates as a neutral and unbiased entity. On the contrary, the mission of the media is to advance the interests of those who control it.

I do not propose to tell you what to read and not read; I simply suggest that you expand your range of reading and investigation into areas beyond that pushed by the mass media; seek out other points of view.

Happy New Year.

ENJQY THE SHQW.

B

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