Garyt wrote:the Bismarck's turrets,.
aurora wrote:Prince of Wales'gun turret problems in the Battle of Denmark Strait
After the sinking of HMS Hood- serious gunnery malfunctions had caused intermittent problems with the POW;s main armament, leading to a 26% reduction in output. Captain Leach realised that continuing the action would risk losing Prince of Wales without inflicting further damage on the enemy. He therefore ordered the ship to make smoke and withdraw, 'pending a more favourable opportunity'.
Prince of Wales turned away just after 06:04, firing from her rear turret under local control until the turret suffered a jammed shell ring, cutting off the ammunition supply and making the guns inoperable. Despite efforts by crew members and civilian technicians to repair the shell ring, all four guns were not back in service until 08:25, although two of the four guns were serviceable by 07:20. This temporarily left only five 14 in (360 mm) guns operational, but nine of the ten were operational in five hours.The final salvos fired were ragged and are believed to have fallen short.
This ship had been pressed into serious action before she was really fit for such a purpose
As for Allied ships taking severe damage - one could easily show USS South Dakota (suffering heavy topside damage from 26-27 shells at Guadalcanal, and over 100 casualties), USS Colorado, heavily damaged by 3x150mm shore guns during the Pacific campaign, North Carolina suffering 1xlong lance torpedo hit, and several battleships suffering heavy hits from kamikazes.
In spite of numerous hits, SOUTH DAKOTA received only superficial damage. Neither the strength, buoyancy nor stability were measurably impaired.
It is estimated that one hit was 5-inch, six were 6-inch, eighteen were 8-inch and one was 14-inch.
The Japanese battleship Hiei was also badly damaged topside by a combinafion of 5 and 8" hits, leaving her burning and with heavy casualties. She was later crippled by 1 or 2 x 8" shells that flooded part of her machinery.
Garyt wrote:The Japanese battleship Hiei was also badly damaged topside by a combinafion of 5 and 8" hits, leaving her burning and with heavy casualties. She was later crippled by 1 or 2 x 8" shells that flooded part of her machinery.
She was indeed rather vulnerable to 8" shells piercing her armor, which is why I think of her more as a battle cruiser.
Just real quick, The Hiei had 9" turrets, 10" barbettes, and an 8-11" belt.
South Dakota had 18" turret faces, 11-17" Barbettes, and a 12.2" Belt. Plus the south Dakota has better quality armor, multiply the Hiei's armor by about .95 to get a comparative number.
These ships were nowhere close in armor. The Hiei could indeed take serious damage in her armored areas from 8" shells - Can't say the same for the South Dakota.
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