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There is a thread here:Gator wrote:If I can add a bit to this conversation my understanding
Yes clearly that is the big issue, I guess one would have to make a big deal of the possible threats of Japan, furthermore you could retire the Revenge class ships, they were pretty useless (yes good at defending convoys, but thats about it) and use the fact as a counterweight to any future building plans you have later on in the decade as well as save cash for the development of new ships in the future. Finally the key reason why 1933 is far easier than 1936 is you could bring into line the rebuilding of the battle fleet which would not doubt please the government more than building new ships, as it is much easier. If you became first sea lord in '36 you would have to choose between rebuilds or building new ships as Britain lacks the capacity to do both, with three years extra you could do bothRF wrote:1933 - and your pursetrings are tightly held by a National (coalition) Government that wants to balance the budget and not spend on the military. That is the first battle....
exactly, agree with you completely on the money front , but retiring the revenge class ships allows you to build within the limits of the various treaties when that time comes, furthermore 1933 gives more time for boats to come off the drawing board whereas 1936 is to late to make any real changes to the Royal Navy, furthermore '33 gives you more time to focus on the less extensive projects, like encouraging carrier doctrine, or at the very least the offensive capabilities of carriers which takes time to sink into a service. Not to mention the fact that '33 gives you 3 years more to develop a Air Fleet Arm.RF wrote:Again it comes back to the budget doesn't it?
In 1933 the international situation was still focussed on the economic depression whereas in 1936 the international political situation was clearly more threatening.
In 1933 Japan would be seen as the only threat, and being on the other side of the world not a serious threat except perhaps for Hong Kong. Yes, Hitler is Reichskanzler but not yet dictator and Germany is still a military pygmy. So what is the expected programme for devolping Britain's armed forces at a time that major war isn't forseen? There would be little justification for expansion without the gift of hindsight. The prognosis for the RN would be as it was, to keep the fleet in being, with none of the big ships like Revenge being scrapped. Perhaps the deck refit for Hood could have been done, particulary to keep jobs alive in the shipyards (here the argument is economic, in combating unemployment). But beyond that the climate for substantial rearmament didn't exist. You could plan for it in secret, but that is as far as it would get.
Of course the old chesnut is that rearmament is good for creating jobs and dealing with depressions. But Britain wasn't Germany and recent memory of WW1 made sure that such a policy wasn't a vote winner. And in a democracy its the votes that count.
The RoF of the 5.25" gun is 10-12 RPM in AA combat, and 7-8 RPM when fired for extended periods of time. I have gathered sufficient cinematic and documentary evidence, I think, to prove that this is so. There is no evidence to show that the 4.5" is a better AA gun. None. It was lighter and may have been a better choice on that score alone, given the limitations of WW2 AA FC, but it was not a better HA/LA weapon than the 5.25 which had a very similar RoF and vastly superior ballistics, while firing a ~50% heavier shell.RobertsonN wrote:As far as the KGVs were concerned, I would have installed the originally planned 20 4.5 in guns instead of the 16 5.25 in. The 4.5 in had problems with fixed rounds breaking, but it still had IIRC a rof of at least 12 rpm as compared with 7 to 8 rpm for the 5.25 in. So it was a considerably better AA gun. This would have saved weight too, 380 tons as opposed to 640 tons. Scrapping the R class and using their guns in the KGV might have been worthwhile (saving time in design and manufacture of mountings and guns, not to mention cost). Speed would have dropped a bit unless some newer technology, such as the supercharged boilers used in the Richelieu, were introduced. Perhaps some of the spare 15 in guns might also have been used (there were about 180 in total I think). Turret weight of 8 15 in was less than 10 14 in but obviously increased barbette weight more than unweighed this.
But this rather assumed the war did not start in 1937 or 1938.
The AA of Repulse was weak (6 old 4 in guns). Replacing these and the 9 low-angle 4 in in triples with 12 or 14 new 4 in as in Hood would have been worthwhile and was actually planned for 1942. The old 4 in did, however, perform well, along with the 20 mm Oerlikons, in her final action. The pompoms gave much trouble due to defective ammunition (too long in ready use lockers).
Modernizing the Hood was very difficult because she was such a useful ship (against anything other thas the Bismarcks, Richelieus or VVs), so a long absence was to be avoided. As she was already overweight, additional armor was out of the question.
Unfortunately the RN did less to update its old capital ships than any other nation, with the exception of France. Then, as now, there was a mismatch between Britain's ambitions and its finances.
Has any navy tried to produce a quad 15'' turret? How much heavier in weight would it be to the 14''?dunmunro wrote: However......or 12 x 15" (3 x 4) might have been possible with some sacrifices in other areas.