Kirishima and Hiei versus Washington

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Re: Kirishima and Hiei versus Washington

Postby Bgile » Wed Apr 07, 2010 1:14 pm

I guess Bismarck wasn't a "carrier escort" because her AA was substandard, and the Germans didn't have any carriers. Bismarck didn't shoot down a single swordfish, BEFORE her rudder was jammed. I guess that makes her substandard and worthless? Just because a ship doesn't get any hits in one night battle, it isn't worth anything?

"How narrow are minds around here. If I do not accept that those ships were the BEST then it is assumed that I´m implying they are the worst... simply lack of mature thinking here.".

Do you think I might be able to find a quote from you that said exactly that?
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Re: Kirishima and Hiei versus Washington

Postby Karl Heidenreich » Thu Apr 08, 2010 2:09 am

Bgile:

I guess Bismarck wasn't a "carrier escort" because her AA was substandard, and the Germans didn't have any carriers. Bismarck didn't shoot down a single swordfish, BEFORE her rudder was jammed. I guess that makes her substandard and worthless? Just because a ship doesn't get any hits in one night battle, it isn't worth anything?

"How narrow are minds around here. If I do not accept that those ships were the BEST then it is assumed that I´m implying they are the worst... simply lack of mature thinking here.".

Do you think I might be able to find a quote from you that said exactly that?


This do not challenge any of the issues addressed and is evasive, so we must believe that those issues are factual beyond any point of argumentation. By the way I do concur to two things in the answer quoted above:

1. I do concur that Bismarck`s AA was substandard compared with 1942 Pacific Theatre USN and IJN ships.
2. I do concur that Germany didn´t have any operational aircraft carrier so, by principle, no KM could be regarded as an aircraft carrier escort.

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