German Jews steal bismark

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German Jews steal bismark

Post by tameraire01 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 3:47 pm

Is it possible that German Jews would be able to steal Bismark/ sink her at her home port.
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Re: German Jews steal bismark

Post by tommy303 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:42 pm

Not very likely--base security, armed sentries aboard, together with national registration of jewish people within the Reich and police surveillance.

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Re: German Jews steal bismark

Post by tameraire01 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 4:46 pm

They would be wearing German military uniforms and the speak fluent German. SIG worked under the British during WW2 to great effect. Failing to steal her could they sink her or damage her so badly that she would not be able to put to sea.
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Re: German Jews steal bismark

Post by Mostlyharmless » Thu Jun 12, 2014 5:52 pm

Wasn't Günther Lütjens partly Jewish?

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Re: German Jews steal bismark

Post by tameraire01 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 6:02 pm

Dunno if so Hitler would never let him be on his newest weapon.
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Re: German Jews steal bismark

Post by tommy303 » Thu Jun 12, 2014 7:58 pm

Luetjens' wife I believe was part jewish (Mischling), and there were a number of officers and other ranks in the Kriegsmarine that were also part jewish, such as Admiral Bernhard Rogge and Paul Ascher (of Luetjens' staff). Stealing the Bismarck though would have been exceptionally difficult--sabotage, not so much, but still hard to do without the proper papers, identification, orders, and such.

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Re: German Jews steal bismark

Post by RNfanDan » Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:03 am

First of all, if they stole a "Bismark", then they would probably be commandeering a dummy ship or, at best, a mock-up. No one would care. :dance:

Now, if they attempted to steal Bismarck, that would be an interesting story! :think:


Not that it would have ever succeeded.... :negative:
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Re: German Jews steal bismark

Post by RF » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:48 pm

tameraire01 wrote:Is it possible that German Jews would be able to steal Bismark/ sink her at her home port.
Sounds a bit like Red October viz the Soviet Navy.

German Jews did not formulate any organised active opposition to the Third Reich. Also stealing a battleship requires sailors. So the answer to the question has to be no.
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Re: German Jews steal bismark

Post by RF » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:51 pm

tameraire01 wrote: SIG worked under the British during WW2 to great effect. .
But this was only a small group, certainly not capable of stealing a battleship.
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Re: German Jews steal bismark

Post by paul.mercer » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:38 pm

RF wrote:
tameraire01 wrote:Is it possible that German Jews would be able to steal Bismark/ sink her at her home port.
Sounds a bit like Red October viz the Soviet Navy.

German Jews did not formulate any organised active opposition to the Third Reich. Also stealing a battleship requires sailors. So the answer to the question has to be no.

Absoloutly correct, to steal a ship like Bismarck one would need hundreds of sailors, fully qualified in all aspects of running a ship, it just could not happen.

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Re: German Jews steal bismark

Post by RF » Thu Jun 19, 2014 8:06 am

paul.mercer wrote:
Absoloutly correct, to steal a ship like Bismarck one would need hundreds of sailors, fully qualified in all aspects of running a ship, it just could not happen.
Thinking more about it, a Jewish commanding officer could, as per Red October (the captain there was a closet Lithuanian nationalist) take Bismarck out to sea for trials and sail it to Scapa Flow..... but it would still be far fetched.
And even then such a Jewish captain still requires the obedience of the officers and crew under his command. With a submarine it is far easier given the closed nature of the vessel to keep crew and officers in the dark about a defection, Bismarck is a surface ship and crew can more easily see what is happening.....and of course Bismarck is far more externally visible than a submerged submarine.
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Re: German Jews steal bismark

Post by Dave Saxton » Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:41 pm

Entering a night sea battle is an awesome business.The enveloping darkness, hiding the enemy's.. seems a living thing, malignant and oppressive.Swishing water at the bow and stern mark an inexorable advance toward an unknown destiny.

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