Could we have peace in our time?
- tameraire01
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Could we have peace in our time?
Could we have seen Bismark and Hood side by side fighting in the far east or against the Russians if Hitler was not a complete maniac?
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Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas. Joseph Stalin
Re: Could we have peace in our time?
Why do you assume that we would have peace in our time if Germany and GB would have invaded the Soviet Union 70 years ago? Do you believe that the root of today's wars and violent conflicts is the dominance of Soviet power in the eastern hemisphere until some 20 to 30 years ago? I don't buy the simplistic idea of the evil communists vs. the shiny westerners who want to spread peace and wealth all around the globe. There have been and are many other triggers for war, as we can observe every day.
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Re: Could we have peace in our time?
I do not believe that. I meant could we have seen them fight together if the japanese invaded India or the soviets invaded Poland and started WW2.
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas. Joseph Stalin
Re: Could we have peace in our time?
Hi there,
Suggest this moves to hypothetical thread as it has nothing to do with Bismarck in the 1940s.
BTW Stalin did invade Poland............ in a treaty with Hitler. Choose the bigger Psycho!
All the best
wadinga
Suggest this moves to hypothetical thread as it has nothing to do with Bismarck in the 1940s.
BTW Stalin did invade Poland............ in a treaty with Hitler. Choose the bigger Psycho!
All the best
wadinga
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Re: Could we have peace in our time?
I believe the fact that France and Britain did not declare war on the USSR at the time was because the leadership considered Hitler and his Reich to be the most dangerous tyranny which would of necessity have to be fought and destroyed first.BTW Stalin did invade Poland............ in a treaty with Hitler. Choose the bigger Psycho!
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Re: Could we have peace in our time?
This is an open ended question with too many imponderables to give a certain answer.tameraire01 wrote:Could we have seen Bismark and Hood side by side fighting in the far east or against the Russians if Hitler was not a complete maniac?
If Hitler ''was not a complete maniac'' there would have been no Second World War as such, and no Cold War to follow it. The Pacific War is highly likely to still have happened, and Hood could have been part of Force Z for example. But why would Germany have any interest in a war in the Pacific? There would be nothing in it for the Germans, so why commit Bismarck? Further still the full force of the French fleet would be available for Pacific duty, Bismarck and German help wouldn't be needed.
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Re: Could we have peace in our time?
The lack of a British/French declaration of war on the USSR after giving the guarantee to Poland was an act of political expediency - at that time there was a risk of Italy, Japan and Spain all joining Germany in the war, the allies didn't want to have to fight Russia as well. Note that three months later with the start of the Winter War in Finland the British/French coalition opted for a ''half and half'' solution of proposing to send a volunteer force to help the Finns but still didn't declare war on the USSR.tommy303 wrote:I believe the fact that France and Britain did not declare war on the USSR at the time was because the leadership considered Hitler and his Reich to be the most dangerous tyranny which would of necessity have to be fought and destroyed first.BTW Stalin did invade Poland............ in a treaty with Hitler. Choose the bigger Psycho!
''Give me a Ping and one Ping only'' - Sean Connery.
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Re: Could we have peace in our time?
The Germans would not be in the pacific but the Baltic,Artic/ north Atlantic, hunting the soviets/ using bismarck/tirpitz as fire support ships for the panzer armies.
Ideas are more powerful than guns. We would not let our enemies have guns, why should we let them have ideas. Joseph Stalin