kevin32422 wrote:Supposing that the Germans are on the course the British had and the British were on the course of the Germans would the out come of the battle been different? sea conditions and German and British strengths are the same as the original battle.
kevin32422 wrote:me to if for nothing else the Germans had more modern ships than what the British had in that battle and the Prince of Wales gunnery problems to.
Steve Crandell wrote:I think the Germans would have turned immediately to unmask their after guns, and if that was likely to take them into the ice they would have reversed course back toward the British cruisers. They would definitely not have continued to close the range with their after guns masked.
paulcadogan wrote:RF wrote:That poses an interesting proposition - what if Tovey and Holland had swopped commands, with Tovey on Hood at DS and Holland held back at Scapa Flow with KGV....
Given the tactical situation at 5.40 AM 24 May I wonder what tactical decisions Tovey would have made....
Well we do have an idea.....Tovey said it himself in his thoughts of signalling Holland, and in the aftermath. PoW in the van, and an even more direct approach - almost end-on (Tovey wished Holland had been "steering-in more still") before turning to bring broadsides to bear.
alecsandros wrote:After 6:02/03, both German ships would target Hood, and the chance of a catastrophic explosion is still there.
alecsandros wrote:Bismarck probably damaged and slowed down to 22-24kts - and ripe for another attack later at night, by Victorious, KGV, Repulse.
alecsandros wrote:@Rick Rather
Well, in the historical battle BS+PE obtained 9 to 11 direct hits between 5:55 and 6:02/6:03, on both Hood and Prince of Wales.
In this scenario with PoW in the lead, I would expect 8 to 10 hits obtained on her in the same time frame (because she was a slightly smaller target than Hood and Hood's non-opposed fire could land a hit or two on Bismarck, possibly degrading her fire), most being 380mm hits, which would cause heavy damage and force her to withdraw at reduced speed.
Difficult to know if Bismarck would attempt to return to Germany. My opinion is that Luetjens might try that, but he would be intercepted and sunk anyway, somewhere north of Iceland (because of the speed difficulties).
alecsandros wrote:... It would be very difficult to know.
Historically, both German ships concentrated fire on the lead enemy ship, identified as a "cruiser" by Prinz Eugen and as a "battleship" on board Bismarck.
With Prince of Wales in the lead, this could cause Bismarck and PE to fire against her, which could mean 5:56/57 direct hits on Prince of Wales... At 5:57, Bismarck probably hit Hood in the foretop... a similar hit on Prince of Wales would have devastating consequences (as seen at 6:00/01), and would probably mean no further salvos fired , or no further accurate salvos fired by Prince of Wales, until effective command would be transfered to the aft control position.
On the other hand, Hood could fire un-opposed for several minutes (the same as PoW did in her place), which may land a hit or two on Prinz Eugen or Bismarck (depending on identification issues on Hood).
My personal expectations, if Hood was in the rear and Prince of Wales in the lead, would be extreme damage to Prince of Wales by 6:02/3 (but not sunk), moderate damage to Bismarck , and moderate damage to Hood.
After 6:02/03, both German ships would target Hood, and the chance of a catastrophic explosion is still there.
At 6:10, probably the 2 forces would withdraw, Prince of Wales with extreme damage to herself, Hood probably sunk, Bismarck probbaly damaged and slowed down to 22-24kts - and ripe for another attack later at night, by Victorious, KGV, Repulse.
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