Bismarck vs. Hood

Historical what if discussions, hypothetical operations, battleship vs. battleship engagements, design your own warship, etc.
User avatar
Karl Heidenreich
Senior Member
Posts: 4808
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:19 pm
Location: San José, Costa Rica
Contact:

Bismarck vs. Hood

Post by Karl Heidenreich » Sun Aug 27, 2006 2:51 am

Let´s forget Denmarck Straits. Let´s forget VADM Lancelot Holland´s approach manouver. Let´s have Bismarck vs. Hood in another circunstances, aproaching at 90 degrees or engaging at parallel course.
So, same result? Or... a Hood victory?

Best regards!
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Sir Winston Churchill

Tiornu
Supporter
Posts: 1222
Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2004 6:13 am
Location: Ex Utero

Re: Bismarck vs. Hood

Post by Tiornu » Sun Aug 27, 2006 5:58 pm

It's hard to find any advantage for Hood's design. She has more protected buoyancy, but the degree of protection is not as good. She does have better turret armor. Almost everything else favors Bismarck.

User avatar
Karl Heidenreich
Senior Member
Posts: 4808
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:19 pm
Location: San José, Costa Rica
Contact:

Post by Karl Heidenreich » Sun Aug 27, 2006 9:42 pm

With all Hood´s turrets firing to Bismarck and being fired upon only Bismarck´s 8 x 15".
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Sir Winston Churchill

User avatar
Gary
Senior Member
Posts: 706
Joined: Mon Apr 17, 2006 3:37 pm
Location: Northumberland

Post by Gary » Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:26 pm

Hi Karl.

Whilst both ships posessed the same armament and in theory, on paper at least, that would suggest that both are capable of inflicting serious harm on one another.

However, as Tiornu says, most of the advantages are in Bismarcks favour.

My money would have to be on Bismarck.
God created the world in 6 days.........and on the 7th day he built the Scharnhorst

User avatar
Nellie
Member
Posts: 134
Joined: Sat May 28, 2005 11:18 am
Location: Stockholm Sweden

Post by Nellie » Mon Aug 28, 2006 4:40 pm

Well, anything could happened but i think Hood needs to have her "Lucky day" to survive such a battle unless she make an escape, of course that wouldn´t be possible in 1941 when she almost could do 29 knots!

User avatar
RF
Senior Member
Posts: 7603
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:15 pm
Location: Wolverhampton, ENGLAND

Post by RF » Fri Oct 06, 2006 1:20 pm

Hood has an outside chance - if she were to land the first heavy hits....

As bgile says, knocking out the FC is the big BeeBee. Given the Bismarck itself is vulnerable to long range plunging fire Hood could do a lot of other damage provided she doesn't get clobbered.

A lot of people on this forum have said that the Tirpitz gunnery wasn't as good as Bismarck, so Hood might do better against Tirpitz.

Either way I wouldn't want to be on board Hood.

User avatar
Karl Heidenreich
Senior Member
Posts: 4808
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:19 pm
Location: San José, Costa Rica
Contact:

Post by Karl Heidenreich » Fri Oct 06, 2006 4:00 pm

RF:
Either way I wouldn't want to be on board Hood.
Neither do I. :!:
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Sir Winston Churchill

User avatar
Nellie
Member
Posts: 134
Joined: Sat May 28, 2005 11:18 am
Location: Stockholm Sweden

Post by Nellie » Sat Oct 07, 2006 12:26 pm

Don´t say so Karl! Maybe with your strategies and ideas about naval warfare you had turned the Hood to victory!! :dance:

User avatar
miro777
Member
Posts: 222
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:13 pm
Location: Hamburg, Germany

Post by miro777 » Sun Oct 08, 2006 8:13 am

it is a BB vs a BC...

so in my opinion it would a smiliar outturn as the battle of Jutland, where 3 british BCs blew up...


as mentioned earlier all advantages are to BS...
although its always the one with the lucky hit, who wins...

miro
Die See ruft....

User avatar
Karl Heidenreich
Senior Member
Posts: 4808
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:19 pm
Location: San José, Costa Rica
Contact:

Post by Karl Heidenreich » Sun Oct 08, 2006 11:34 pm

Nellie:
Don´t say so Karl! Maybe with your strategies and ideas about naval warfare you had turned the Hood to victory!!
I´m gonna take this like a positive comment. The fact is that I don´t like the word "impossible" because that makes you vulnerable. Some examples:
It was IMPOSIBLE for Hitler to retake Rheinland with a music band and some drunks acting like an Army while France had 80 divisions standing.
Result: Hitler gor his Rheinland.
It was IMPOSIBLE for a broken and demoralized Germany to be ready to conquer Europe by 1939
Result: September 1st, 1939: Poland.
It was IMPOSIBLE for the Germans to invade Norway in a sneak attack.
Result: Norway conquered in a flash attack.
It was IMPOSIBLE for the Germans to take the Belgium forts before the French deployed.
Result: Germany took the Belgium forts and the French were thinking it was 1914 again.
It was IMPOSIBLE for the German tanks to go thru the Ardenes and beat the French Army with a "thunder and lightning" strike.
Result: The French ended surrendering in the same train wagon they gave such an humilliating and unfair treatment to the Germans in 1918.
It was IMPOSIBLE for a Bismarck+PE to pass a blockade made effective by Hood+PoW+2 cruisers.
Result: Ask Tilburn or Briggs
The other way around:
It was IMPOSIBLE for the RAF to defeat the Luftwaffe at the Battle of Britain. Just see the statistics.
Result: Goering ate his words.
It was IMPOSIBLE that the Red Army could defeat a Blitlzkrieg offensive of the Werhmacht in 1941.
Result: the Germans froze to death at the gates of Moscow.
It was IMPOSIBLE that some "Japs" to attack Pearl harbor or anything in the middle of the Pacific without USN to be alerted before. Moreover, an attack on Pearl by the northern path was utterly IMPOSIBLE.
Result: December 7th, 1941, a Day which live in Infamy...
It was IMPOSIBLE to attack Philipines without Old Mac to do something.
Result: Mac running in a PT boat to Australia.
It was IMPOSIBLE that some fragile planes could seriosly damage a BB or a BC.
Result: PoW and Repulse sunk by some fragile planes.
It was IMPOSIBLE for SINGAPUR to fall.
Result: Ask General Percival.
etc., etc., etc.
And what nowadays?:
It was IMPOSIBLE that a crazy religion fanactic camel driver could turn to be a serious security risk to the US.
Result: September 11, 2001.

So, if someone comes with some colorfull idea that it´s regarded as impossible I just say: wait a moment... :stop:
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Sir Winston Churchill

User avatar
marcelo_malara
Senior Member
Posts: 1272
Joined: Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:14 pm
Location: buenos aires

Post by marcelo_malara » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:14 am

This is really one of the best posting I have seen in this forum. :clap: :clap: :clap:

User avatar
RNfanDan
Supporter
Posts: 424
Joined: Mon Apr 24, 2006 4:06 pm
Location: USA

Post by RNfanDan » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:30 am

Hood stands a chance, if her commander achieves two things:

1) An end-on approach profile (very hard to target);
2) The range is brought quickly down (to reduce the effects of vertical shot-fall trajectories).
Image

User avatar
marcelo_malara
Senior Member
Posts: 1272
Joined: Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:14 pm
Location: buenos aires

Post by marcelo_malara » Mon Oct 09, 2006 12:59 am

An end-on approach makes the Hood fire with 4 guns while receiving fire from 8. Additionally, coming in a straight line eliminates one of the components of the fire solution, ie the deflection.

User avatar
miro777
Member
Posts: 222
Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2006 2:13 pm
Location: Hamburg, Germany

Post by miro777 » Mon Oct 09, 2006 2:11 pm

hey...
haha karl, i must agree....one of the best postings...
in fact nothin is impossible...

u see it is even likely for a destroyer to sink a BB...

that would stand under really really odd circumstances...
but it is possbile...

adios
miro
Die See ruft....

User avatar
Karl Heidenreich
Senior Member
Posts: 4808
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:19 pm
Location: San José, Costa Rica
Contact:

Post by Karl Heidenreich » Mon Oct 09, 2006 3:31 pm

About the end on approach: Are we talking to let the other fellow to cross the "T"?

Best regards.
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Sir Winston Churchill

Post Reply