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Further expeditions to the Bismarck

Posted: Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:53 pm
by 30knots
Does anyone know if it is planned to have any further expeditions to the Bismarck wreck ? I see from info posted on the previous expeditions that there is still an 'unexplored debris field' ?

Thanks for any replies.

Posted: Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:18 am
by RF
I believe the German government has expressed a disaproval of further expeditions for fear of looting and other improper activity on what is a war grave.

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:13 am
by 30knots
Thanks for your reply RF.

"for fear of looting and other improper activity"

Sounds like anyone could just run amok. How can an expedition with months (years?) of careful planning that uses ROVs or manned submersibles do that ?

What i was trying to ask was if all the proper permissions and permits were in place with guarantees to respect the war grave status of the Bismarck is if there were any plans to explore the 'unexplored'.

ref: unexplored debris field

Thanks for any replies.

Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:19 pm
by RF
My reference to impropriety concerns the removal of artefacts from the wreck of the Titantic and allegations as to whether there is any moral entitlement to do so.

It is a question of the purposes of the expedition, and for whose benefit - not just as a matter of historical research, but financial gain.

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:21 pm
by 30knots
Thanks RF

Sorry, but you've lost me there. Titanic ? I thought we were talking about the Bismarck.

The purpose of the expedition would be to explore the unexplored debris field.

The benefit would be to reveal what has not been revealed to hundreds, if not thousands.

Financial gain will always be there, as it is in most things.

Thanks for any replies.

Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:21 pm
by José M. Rico
If I remember correctly, "Deep Ocean Expeditions" planned an expedition to the wreck of the Bismarck earlier this year, but for some reason it was cancelled in the end. You may want to check their website regularly to see if they have an expedition on schedule for 2008.

Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:14 am
by ltinker
Damn its dear to dive to the ship but would be worth it for the historical significance of being able to see the ship now.

Posted: Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:24 am
by RF
30 knots,

The reference to the Titanic concerns the fairly widespread publicity given to the apparent removal of objects from the wreck as ''finders keepers'' and their alleged offer for sale on internet auction sites. The concern is that the same could happen with the wreck of Bismarck or any other sunken ship in the future.

I am all in favour of exploring the debris field, on a look but don't touch basis, ie. without looting. But until international law is clarified on this the motives of future expeditions inevitably comes into question. This is particulary so if proposals arise to refloat the wreck, as I believe have been made with respect to Titanic.

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:07 am
by 30knots
Thanks RF

Posted: Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:10 am
by 30knots
sorry.............thanks to Jose and Itinker too