What about a modern ship-of-the-line?

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What about a modern ship-of-the-line?

Postby alpha3 » Tue Jun 21, 2011 2:24 am

I know lots of people talk about bringing back the battlewagon; and there's lots of argument about it just would be a floating sailor's coffin.

But, like the way aircraft precision strikes and ground support would always be carried out by fighter planes, now unmanned drones fill some of these roles. Why send a gabillion dollar plane in harms way, not to mention endanger a pilot, if a drone could do the job? It's a niche player. Drones are deadly, hard to see, even harder to shoot down, have no pilot, and relatively inexpensive.

How about a niche player warship? I'm not suggesting a disposable battleship, but I'm beginning to think there may be a niche for a similar type vessel; call it a modern day ship-of-the-line. It's main role would be to free up missile DDG's and CG's for roles where they are sorely needed, without losing any punch. A junkyard dog with a mean bite. Why use an expensive missile when a large naval shell will do nicely? How many shells did a battleship used to carry for its main guns -800? 1000? That's a lot of relatively inexpensive, very destructive power; how many missiles does a DDG carry? 70-90? Cost per each?

The ship-of-the-line could be outfitted with modernized but conventional guns/turrets, in 15'' or 16'' calibre, or rail gun technology thats coming. Not much additional development cost there. They would use the same auto loading and central firing principle that the Salem class cruisers had and used with success. The only other armament needed would be anti-aircraft weaponry. And if the old BB Missouri could accurately hit something from 24miles away, I'm sure its not out of the realm of possibility to attain ranges of 40 or 50miles for modern big guns. Modern technology and computers reduce crew size to the same or less than an Arleigh Burke destroyer, another cost savings. Propulsion diesel or combination diesel/turbine; another cost savings not sacrificing speed or range.

For defense, they would use existing anti-missile and anti torpedo decoying tech. No development cost there. They would be heavily armored, as a battleship would be to withstand their own size calibre weapons and resist missile hits without being mission compromised.
The vessel would function in a marine amphibious assault and support function, similar to the aircraft carrier spinoff with the Wasp-class ship. As an added role, the ship-of-the-line could function in fleet actions with carrier battle groups as necessary, or in a smaller group centered around herself for commerce interdiction/blockade or anti piracy sorties.

Instead of building these gazillion dollar zumwalt destroyers when you have the likes of the Arleigh Burke-class ships around, just build a few of these ships of the line.

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Re: What about a modern ship-of-the-line?

Postby Bureaucromancer » Wed Jun 22, 2011 5:10 pm

1st, you're not going to need the armour to be anything like classic battleship. It's simply not going to take gunfire from large calibre weapons, in which case be might as well call it a battlecruiser. Next, take a look at the benefits of large calibre guns. 16'' is just not needed for this kind of dedicated gunfire support unit - the AGS probably isn't enough, but the Mk. 71 (8'') probably is, and certainly 12'' would be.

In any case, you'll be more cost effective building new dedicated air warfare cruisers and freeing up the huge numbers of destroyers for fire support.

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Re: What about a modern ship-of-the-line?

Postby RF » Thu Jun 23, 2011 10:12 am

alpha3 wrote:
Instead of building these gazillion dollar zumwalt destroyers when you have the likes of the Arleigh Burke-class ships around, just build a few of these ships of the line.


How many navies are actually doing this? That is the test of feasibility.

I agree with that bold sentence in Bureaucromancer's post.
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Re: What about a modern ship-of-the-line?

Postby sineatimorar » Sat Oct 12, 2013 7:38 am

I put some fantasy designs together wondering just this question on my web site. After researching the possible weapons and while an artillery based system would appeal to this battlewagon loving nut, I am enough of a realist to see that Missle based global strike system would be the most effective method of sea based land targeting. Non nuclear of course.


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