madmike wrote:hi bgile, sorry for the A-10 in there, but alot of people believe the A-10s idea came from the ju-87 stuka,
aurora wrote:The final expression of the Focke Wulf Fw 190, considered by many as the best German fighter of World War II, was the Ta 152, an aircraft that was rather different from that designed by Kurt Tank back in 1937; however it was representative nevertheless of the lengthy evolution that the basic model had undergone during the various periods of the conflict.
The Ta 152 was created to act as an interceptor at high altitude, and as such, it proved to be capable of an outstanding performance, especially as far as speed was concerned, being superior to that of any other enemy fighter.
The H version could reach no less than 464 mph (748 km/h) at 30,098 ft (9,150 m) and 471 mph (759 km/h) at 41,118 ft (12,500 m). However, relatively few of these remarkable combat planes came off the assembly lines during the last months of the war and their career was rather limited, and almost non-existent in the role for which they had been conceived.
The P47M, at War Emergency Power, was faster in the 30,000 - 35,000 ft region.
tommy303 wrote:The P47M, at War Emergency Power, was faster in the 30,000 - 35,000 ft region.
....that is when the 130 to reach combat were not grounded by engine problems. That said, all 130 served with the 56th Fighter group and were responsible for all 7 jet shoot downs by that group.
Karl Heidenreich wrote:Just an example, one that is not of "allied" liking.
The overall best most succesfull pilot of WWII is Eric Hartmann with 352 kills.
The following 111 (one hundred eleven) top aces below Hartmann are all German (not a single American, British, Polish, Japanese nor Soviet). Just Germans. Germans flying "inferior" Me 109, FW 190 or Me 262 (jet, which the "allied" superior technology lacked).
The 113 top ace pilot is Finnish (Ilmari Juustilainen with 94 kills), still on the Axis Side. And I doubt this guy flew a Spitfire or a Wildcat.
The 114 is Japanese: Tetsuzo Imamoto with also 94 kills (his personal record shows 202 kills but only 94 were awarded). And he flew a Zero, which has been disqualified as a good oponnent for the Brewster Buffalo or the Wildcat.
The first allied top aces appears down the list and is not even American: Ivan Kozhedub with 62 kills. I doubt his plane was a Mustang.
The first American appears LOWER: Richard Bong, with 40 kills. Hartmann outskills this guy by 880%.
OK. Let´s say that the nazis lied to everybody. Then Eric Hartmann only shot down half those he claimed and that somehow USA didn´t account properly Bong´s score and he shot down three times as much. Still Hartmann outscores Bong 176 kills to 120. Still the German was 50% better than Bong.
And he did it on a German plane.. you know, inferior technology and non worthy German warriors...
Without wishing to detract from the obvious skills of the German pilots and their excellent 109's and 190''s, how many of these 'kills' were against obsolete aircraft in Poland, France and the early Russian campaigns, as well as the disasterous daylight raids by the US bomber force - as opposed to modern fighter to fighter combat as in the Battle of Britain and dogfights against the later Spitfires and Mustangs?
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