Where the Nazis Socialists or Capitalists?
Re: Where the Nazis Socialists or Capitalists?
I think what you mean lwd is more efficient planning and control. And it was certainly more efficient in both Britain and the USSR.
Indeed it is a moot point to ask - were Italy, Japan and Germany, in that order, the least efficiently mobilised econmies of WW2?
Indeed it is a moot point to ask - were Italy, Japan and Germany, in that order, the least efficiently mobilised econmies of WW2?
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Re: Where the Nazis Socialists or Capitalists?
Had to think about this a bit but believe you are correct. The term central might be important as well. From what I've read the Nazi's often had competeing programs for any particular goal. Now that can produce some efficiencies as well as inefficiencies but the information and control flows seem to have promoted the latter and discouraged the former.RF wrote:I think what you mean lwd is more efficient planning and control. And it was certainly more efficient in both Britain and the USSR.
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Re: Where the Nazis Socialists or Capitalists?
Hitler deliberately created competing programs so that his subordinates would be tied up competing with one another; this served to keep them occupied without any of them accruing enough power to oust the Fuhrer. Victory in the Third Riech was taken for granted; Hitler was concerned for his own survival.
As a result scarce resources became mis-allocated and wasted. This was made worse by the bureaucracy stifling out individual private enterprise. This is where Hitler really falls down as a leader - no real understanding of logistics and economics.
In Britain, USA and the USSR there was only one over-riding goal - to survive and win the war.
As a result scarce resources became mis-allocated and wasted. This was made worse by the bureaucracy stifling out individual private enterprise. This is where Hitler really falls down as a leader - no real understanding of logistics and economics.
In Britain, USA and the USSR there was only one over-riding goal - to survive and win the war.
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Re: Where the Nazis Socialists or Capitalists?
Lots of goods posts but socialist in name only is the best way to describe the party.
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The thing is Mike, what do you understand the word ''socialist'' to mean?
Many of the SA members in the early 1930's did believe in the more ''socialist'' slogans of the NSDAP, such that its leaders and officer corps had to be purged. And how do you classify the political beliefs of the Strasser brothers?
Many of the SA members in the early 1930's did believe in the more ''socialist'' slogans of the NSDAP, such that its leaders and officer corps had to be purged. And how do you classify the political beliefs of the Strasser brothers?
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Re: Where the Nazis Socialists or Capitalists?
Socialist - left of centre - is my understanding. I, for example, am not! Unfamiliar with the Strassers.
Re: Where the Nazis Socialists or Capitalists?
Left, centre, right - these terms are increasingly meaningless nowadays, along with socialist, liberal and conservative, three terms with a multitude of meanings, often contradictory. It is as I say a question of what meaning is being taken at a specific instance in time.
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Re: Where the Nazis Socialists or Capitalists?
I understand RF, but was asked a question and I answered it with my own opinion.
Re: Where the Nazis Socialists or Capitalists?
The Strasser brothers were in the NSDAP before Hitler and it was they who included ''socialist'' and ''German workers'' in the party name. They believed in the nationalisation of large department stores and all the business combines, including the Junker estates, together with a people's militia as a national army and a nationalist foreign policy. All of these bar the last weren't popular with the Reichswehr officer corps!
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Re: Where the Nazis Socialists or Capitalists?
Thanks RF, so the Strassers were 'socialists' in my sense of the word, and not 'nationalist' in hitler's sense of the word.
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Re: Where the Nazis Socialists or Capitalists?
mike kemble:
I think they were both, as Peru's presidential candidate Ollanta Humala who is leftist but ultra nationalist. That was the seed of the nazis in the Strassers time.Thanks RF, so the Strassers were 'socialists' in my sense of the word, and not 'nationalist' in hitler's sense of the word.
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Re: Where the Nazis Socialists or Capitalists?
Don't forget the the Strassers were involved in creating the NSDAP before Hitler was recruited.
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