ede144 wrote:The failure was to go to Stalingrad at all. It distracted from the campaign target, the Russian oilfields
Byron Angel wrote: The German (i.e. Hitler's) error was in attempting to execute both the Stalingrad and Caucasus operations simultaneously; I would have sought to settle affairs at Stalingrad as a first priority.
alecsandros wrote:Ahhh ,
I didn't know about Zeitler... at all :Thanks,
RF wrote: The whole German plan in 1942 was flawed, it was very much a continuation of the late summer 1941 thrust into the Ukraine and ignoring Moscow as the primary target.
What the Germans should have done from December 1941 onwards - given that the USA was now in the war - was mobilise for total war, give priority to a long range strategic heavy bomber force, and the Heer to target Moscow properly instead of going off again into the South. Also the Germans and their Finnish allies should have tried to cut the Murmansk railway.
alecsandros wrote:... Dave, Byron,
You're probably right, the Stalingrad campaign was full of mistakes.
However, my impression is that even so, the 6th Army would have beaten the russians off eventualy, if it weren't for the heavy supplies the USA and UK sent to the Russians during summer-autumn of 1942.
Also, the shyness of Japan to press the russians in the east meant the Red Army had a continuous stream of reinforcements coming from the eastern steppes. [the Red Army lost over 1 million soldiers at Stalingrad. Despite this, they had another million troops fighting during Operation Uranus...]
In short: my thought is that the 6th Army lost because of inadequate manpower and equipment. Even with perfect Luftwaffe support, it was just a matter of more time before capitulation. The russians were to many and fielded to much equipment...
Byron Angel wrote:I'm not sure, however, about the strategic bombing force - (a) whether Germany would have been able to develop and field one of sufficient weight; (b) of what ultimate utility such a bombing force would have been on the Eastern Front. Nevertheless, Hitler certainly approached war with an impressive degree of insouciance for someone whose ambition was to conquer the world.
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