The worst machine gun ever

Armed conflicts in the history of humanity from the ancient times to the 20th Century.
User avatar
Karl Heidenreich
Senior Member
Posts: 4808
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:19 pm
Location: San José, Costa Rica
Contact:

The worst machine gun ever

Post by Karl Heidenreich » Sun Sep 20, 2009 1:55 am

Been doing some research of WWI weapondry, in order to address some of John Mosier´s statements in his great book about "The Myth of the Great War" or how the Germans won all the battles and the USA saved the Allies and found very interesting this:

It is the french design and made machine gun, the Chauchat, the worst machine gun ever. The American Expedicionary Force soldiers hate it and had to be replaced by the vastly superior BAR.

It´s funny because somehow it confirms a lot of Mosier´s afirmations.
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Sir Winston Churchill

User avatar
Kyler
Senior Member
Posts: 382
Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:49 am
Location: Evansville, IN U.S.A.
Contact:

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by Kyler » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:34 am

Ahhh... the Chauchat, the biggest piece of shit machine gun ever sent into battle.

The gun itself was okay, but it was it's magazine the really made it a horrible gun. It was extremely prone to being clogged with debris since it has open holes throughout the magazine.

My grandfather told me about the gun when I growing up. His father who served with the American Forces during WW1 had no love what so ever for that weapon.
"It was a perfect attack, Right Height, Right Range, Right cloud cover, Right speed,
Wrong f@%king ship!" Commander Stewart-Moore (HMS Ark Royal)

User avatar
RF
Senior Member
Posts: 7519
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:15 pm
Location: Wolverhampton, ENGLAND

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by RF » Mon Sep 21, 2009 7:58 am

On the subject of the worst machine gun ever, I have heard an account of an attachment made to German machine guns in WW2 on the Russian Front which enabled the gun to shoot round corners by putting the bullets on curved trajectary. The problem was what the Australians would understand by the ''boomerang effect.''
''Give me a Ping and one Ping only'' - Sean Connery.

User avatar
Karl Heidenreich
Senior Member
Posts: 4808
Joined: Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:19 pm
Location: San José, Costa Rica
Contact:

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by Karl Heidenreich » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:18 pm

RF:

Once I heard about that too and think History Channel showed it also. But did not recall it exactly. My interest in the Chauchat starts and ends with with my research on Mosier´s afirmattions.

Best regards,
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
Sir Winston Churchill

User avatar
marcelo_malara
Senior Member
Posts: 1072
Joined: Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:14 pm
Location: buenos aires

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by marcelo_malara » Mon Sep 21, 2009 12:59 pm

The "round the corner" attachment was used in the assault rifles, AFAIK not in machine guns. I don´t think that the attachment would take the stress of a full powered 7.92x57 round.

User avatar
José M. Rico
Administrator
Posts: 836
Joined: Sat Oct 16, 2004 10:23 am
Location: Madrid, Spain
Contact:

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by José M. Rico » Mon Sep 21, 2009 1:35 pm

marcelo_malara wrote:The "round the corner" attachment was used in the assault rifles, AFAIK not in machine guns. I don´t think that the attachment would take the stress of a full powered 7.92x57 round.
Yes, I remember seeing an MP40 with a "round the corner" attachment and even a mirror!!
I think the movie was Triple Cross. :D

lwd
Senior Member
Posts: 3810
Joined: Sat Jun 17, 2006 2:15 am
Location: Southfield, USA

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by lwd » Mon Sep 21, 2009 2:15 pm

I think the grease gun may also have had one. However I'm pretty sure the bullets still flew in relativly straight lines.

User avatar
marcelo_malara
Senior Member
Posts: 1072
Joined: Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:14 pm
Location: buenos aires

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by marcelo_malara » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:33 pm

Yes Jose, it was used in SMG too. What I saw once was a MG34 with a mirror sight, so the gunner hadn´t to expose his head to aim, don´t think was much succesfull either.

Bgile
Senior Member
Posts: 3658
Joined: Wed Mar 09, 2005 7:33 pm
Location: Portland, OR, USA

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by Bgile » Mon Sep 21, 2009 5:47 pm

I imagine it would be difficult to control recoil with such a device. You don't have gravity to help you, and there would be more motion imparted due to the curvature of the barrel as well.

User avatar
RF
Senior Member
Posts: 7519
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:15 pm
Location: Wolverhampton, ENGLAND

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by RF » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:43 am

There was also the risk that firing the gun would result in the firer being shot in the back of the head if there was nothing to stop the bullet flying for full circle....
''Give me a Ping and one Ping only'' - Sean Connery.

User avatar
marcelo_malara
Senior Member
Posts: 1072
Joined: Sun Oct 02, 2005 11:14 pm
Location: buenos aires

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by marcelo_malara » Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:01 pm

Robert, we have already discussed this....the bullet takes a straight direction after it lefts the barrel, in the direction in which the end of the barrel is pointing.

Regards

User avatar
RF
Senior Member
Posts: 7519
Joined: Wed Sep 20, 2006 1:15 pm
Location: Wolverhampton, ENGLAND

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by RF » Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:53 pm

Sorry Marcelo, I didn't recall.
''Give me a Ping and one Ping only'' - Sean Connery.

User avatar
hammy
Senior Member
Posts: 288
Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:52 pm
Location: by the Norfolk Broads , England .

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by hammy » Sat Jan 30, 2010 5:13 pm

The thing is called "Krumlauf" and was developed for street fighting in Russian cities .
There is a "bent" smoothbore extension to the weapon barrel and a an angled mirror sight in a black wedge-shaped box attached to the barrel for sighting .
I think it was made principally for the machinepistolen Mp38 + Mp40 , ( popularly known as "Schmeissers" in Britain ), the low velocity 9mm pistol round that these fired being the only ones suitable , certainly a rifle and MG cartridge would be far to powerful , unless you reduced the propellant charge right down .
" Relax ! No-one else is going to be fool enough to be sailing about in this fog ."

Byron Angel

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by Byron Angel » Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:31 pm

Kyler wrote:Ahhh... the Chauchat, the biggest piece of shit machine gun ever sent into battle.

The gun itself was okay, but it was it's magazine the really made it a horrible gun. It was extremely prone to being clogged with debris since it has open holes throughout the magazine.

My grandfather told me about the gun when I growing up. His father who served with the American Forces during WW1 had no love what so ever for that weapon.

..... Interesting. My grandfather served in the Greek army during WW1 on the Salonika front. His company was equipped with Chauchats as well, judging from photos. I regret that I never discussed his service with him while he alive.


Byron

User avatar
hammy
Senior Member
Posts: 288
Joined: Tue Oct 27, 2009 6:52 pm
Location: by the Norfolk Broads , England .

Re: The worst machine gun ever

Post by hammy » Sat Jan 30, 2010 7:46 pm

Byron , was he in the mikras asias katastrofia thing afterwards too ?
" Relax ! No-one else is going to be fool enough to be sailing about in this fog ."

Post Reply