Karl Heidenreich wrote:But then came Hitler with nazism. And nazism will have a great deal of support in the South
you think so, do you? Why would nazism appeal to southerners?
As the Southern states actually seceeded from the Union largely over the general issue of whether the Federal Government had the right and powers to tell the states what to do , or whether the Union was simply a grouping of fully independent nations , I would guess that the South , following a victory in the Civil war , would soon disagree among themselves over many issues , slavery included , and that in time to come you would have seen a variety of more or less liberal and illiberal states emerge , held together , if at all , by a weak central organisation . I see little chance of a coherent Foreign policy emerging out of that
Karl Heidenreich wrote:Anyway, the original issue was to have an allied winning WWI and to explore the "what if" of a WWII which is more of our interest.
Bgile wrote:Karl Heidenreich wrote:Anyway, the original issue was to have an allied winning WWI and to explore the "what if" of a WWII which is more of our interest.
In that case, there would probably not have been a war with Spain by either "US", so Cuba and the Philippines would still belong to Spain. The USN would be much less significant and in general the US as a military power would not be of great consequence. Apartheid would exist in the south well into the 20th century. Hitler only came to power as a result of the Versailles repercussions, but if you assume he comes to power anyway and there is still the German bitterness over the war and eagerness for renewed military power, then who can say what would happen.
I think the greatest beneficiary would be Japan, because they would be in a position to carve out their empire as they originally conceived without any interference from Americans.
Karl Heidenreich wrote:I think that Bgile has a point, there, claiming that if the US is divided by WWI then it´s unlikely an allied favorable result.
By 1918 the european powers were tired and worn out. The German summer ofensive was the last cartridge that they could fire. If, by then, the US was not reinforcing the Western Front I don´t think the ofensive would have failed as it did historically. Neither a counter offensive could have taken place, and if had happened then it would not be as succesfull as it was.
Revolt and social problems were not inherent to the German Empire, only, but as historically also the French were in problems. By November-December 1918 all warring states would have tried to reach a honorable peace...
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