The REAL first 'all big gun' battleship

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Re: The REAL first 'all big gun' battleship

Postby frankwl » Sat May 21, 2011 7:52 am

Djoser wrote:Obviously the idea didn't take hold, and the Dreadnought was an entirely different level of warship.

But I have always wondered no one ever seems to bring up the six 11" guns of the Brandenburg class, when discussing the origin of the idea that the Dreadnought embodied so much more effectively.

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I've read that the Japanse nearly stole a march on the Dreadnought witt the Satsuma, the biggest warship in the world at the time, and one designed to be an
"all big gun" battleship. But lack of industrial potential lead to the Satsuma being completed with a mixed battery. Mind you, there's nothing remarkable about the Royal Navy with its working relationship with the arms manufacturers of the day coming up with the first modern battleship.

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Re: The REAL first 'all big gun' battleship

Postby Djoser » Sat Oct 12, 2013 6:11 am

Was just reading 'The Design and Construction of the Battleship Dreadnought' by DK Brown in Warship Vol 4, and at the end, he mentions that after the trias of the 1881 battleship Inflexible, there was a proposal to build a 4 twin 16 inch gunned turret version of the Inflexible--sort of a combination of the Inflexible and the Devastation. There is a nice line drawing of the proposed ship. But it would have been 16,000 tons so the idea was dropped. Imagine the possibilities if they had built it, though. Granted it might have been a dead end for the reasons given above, but still--speculation concerning alternate history can be quite interesting.

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Re: The REAL first 'all big gun' battleship

Postby tommy303 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 1:15 am

It would likely have been seriously over gunned for its displacement and quite slow, keeping in mind the limits of machinery of the day.

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Re: The REAL first 'all big gun' battleship

Postby Djoser » Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:13 pm

No doubt. But one wonders if the problem might have spurred advances in technological capability (though it's hard to imagine much faster growth than transpired during this amazing period in history).

Certainly one doesn't have to look too far for other examples of unwieldy, unstable, flawed & clumsy ships, which nonetheless provoked countermeasures from other navies..


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