Most Beautiful Dreadnought

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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby Bgile » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:07 pm

I consider a Dreadnought to be a ship with battleship caliber guns, all of which are of the same size and can fire to both sides of the ship.

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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby lwd » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:11 pm

Bgile wrote:I consider a Dreadnought to be a ship with battleship caliber guns, all of which are of the same size and can fire to both sides of the ship.

So you are including Alaska, Graf Spee, Furious, Glorious, and Coragious? Not to mention Robers and Abercrombie>

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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby Bgile » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:31 pm

lwd wrote:
Bgile wrote:I consider a Dreadnought to be a ship with battleship caliber guns, all of which are of the same size and can fire to both sides of the ship.

So you are including Alaska, Graf Spee, Furious, Glorious, and Coragious? Not to mention Robers and Abercrombie>


Yes, absolutely. I believe that represents the advance represented by Dreadnought and other contemporary ships. Prior to that, ships had more than one caliber of heavy gun and many of them couldn't fire to either side, which was very inefficient and is why Dreadnought completely outclassed them on the same displacement.

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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby Kyler » Wed Feb 17, 2010 5:35 pm

Bgile wrote:
lwd wrote:
Bgile wrote:I consider a Dreadnought to be a ship with battleship caliber guns, all of which are of the same size and can fire to both sides of the ship.

So you are including Alaska, Graf Spee, Furious, Glorious, and Coragious? Not to mention Robers and Abercrombie>


Yes, absolutely. I believe that represents the advance represented by Dreadnought and other contemporary ships. Prior to that, ships had more than one caliber of heavy gun and many of them couldn't fire to either side, which was very inefficient and is why Dreadnought completely outclassed them on the same displacement.


I agree with Bgile, as well

Alaska's are definately in, but you do get in a gray area including Pocket Battleships and Fisher's crazy light battlecrusiers. Just to make everything easy they should be included since their designs are based on true dreadnoughts and they would be capable of fighting them, though not that well
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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby lwd » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:10 pm

Bgile wrote:
lwd wrote:
Bgile wrote:I consider a Dreadnought to be a ship with battleship caliber guns, all of which are of the same size and can fire to both sides of the ship.

So you are including Alaska, Graf Spee, Furious, Glorious, and Coragious? Not to mention Robers and Abercrombie>


Yes, absolutely. I believe that represents the advance represented by Dreadnought and other contemporary ships. Prior to that, ships had more than one caliber of heavy gun and many of them couldn't fire to either side, which was very inefficient and is why Dreadnought completely outclassed them on the same displacement.

In some cases but the ACW moniters for instance usualy carried the same size gun.

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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby lwd » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:12 pm

Kyler wrote:
Bgile wrote:[quote="lwd]So you are including Alaska, Graf Spee, Furious, Glorious, and Coragious? Not to mention Robers and Abercrombie>[/quote]

Yes, absolutely. I believe that represents the advance represented by Dreadnought and other contemporary ships. Prior to that, ships had more than one caliber of heavy gun and many of them couldn't fire to either side, which was very inefficient and is why Dreadnought completely outclassed them on the same displacement.[/quote]

I agree with Bgile, as well

Alaska's are definately in, but you do get in a gray area including Pocket Battleships and Fisher's crazy light battlecrusiers. Just to make everything easy they should be included since their designs are based on true dreadnoughts and they would be capable of fighting them, though not that well[/quote]

What about Roberts, Abercrombie, and thier ilk?

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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby Kyler » Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:35 pm

Though armed with Dreadnought weapons, they were designed at costal bombarding vessels. I wouldn't consider them dreadnoughts that just my opinion
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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby chcrawfish » Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:34 pm

RF wrote:Where would you part Scharnhorst if its not in your top five crawfish?


SCHARNHORST, KONGO, REPULSE, ALASKA, RICHELIEU...my 6-10
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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby Bgile » Thu Feb 18, 2010 1:30 am

lwd wrote:In some cases but the ACW moniters for instance usualy carried the same size gun.


Sure, but that predates the whole era of the battleship. I realize they qualify by my definition, and I suppose they do represent the first use of center line turrets although those were the only guns they had.

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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby neil hilton » Thu May 20, 2010 1:35 pm

I don't know how anybody can think Iowa is pretty, not with that bow. Repulses bow however is very pretty.
The Kongos are well proprotioned too overall.
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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby Karl Heidenreich » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:27 pm

Well, these are some photos of the some Battleships (models at 1:350) which made some points on which is the most beautiful.

http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/alb ... 333&ref=pb

Bismarck, Hood and Repulse fit the bill for me.
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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby Kyler » Mon Jun 07, 2010 3:56 am

Karl, you don't seem like the facebook type
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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby Karl Heidenreich » Mon Jun 07, 2010 11:40 am

Kyler;

Karl, you don't seem like the facebook type


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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby Kyler » Tue Jun 08, 2010 3:48 am

I would not say your the devil, you just have a habit of being annoying from time to time like you last post about Jutland

The best way to put it, sometimes you mute button is broken
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Re: Most Beautiful Dreadnought

Postby Karl Heidenreich » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:04 pm

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