Greatest warship of all time

[RF]

Miro:

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Besides, the Germans couldnt fight fair.................


I do think that is rather offensive....

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miro

Miro, I don´t think Gary meant that the Germans didn´t fight fair but that they couldn´t afford to fight fair in order that the KM was so small in comparison to the RN.

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War isn't a game of cricket. Its kill or be killed. Fairness never comes into it.

[Karl Heidenreich]

KB:

Ther is no doubt that the greatest warship was Prinz Eugen. The amount of conflicts that ship went through and only came out with minor damage was astonishing. It even sailed through the English channel with Scharnhorst and came out with a few minor hits nothing that couldn't be repaired quickly. Even after the war it survived as a training ship for many years to the US Navy.
No doubt that Prinz Eugen was the greates ever warship.

I agree that PE was a great ship, one of the greatest ships ever. She even survived a nuclear blast without sinking. But the reasons you quote for being the greatest betray her in favor of another ship that saw a lot of more action: HMS Warspite. A WWI veteran that fought in Jutland, did all her service during the "inter war" years, fought in almost every scenario of WWII and still have the distintion of firing the longest shot (that hit, that is) ever against the Italians. In that order of things we must recognize Warspite.

But I´ll recognize Bismarck and Hood as the two greatest ever.

[RF]

Warspite and Hood both had very long service records, Warspite was always in situations her commander and firepower could handle. Unlike Hood who was drawn against Bismarck.

[Karl Heidenreich]

RF:

Warspite and Hood both had very long service records, Warspite was always in situations her commander and firepower could handle. Unlike Hood who was drawn against Bismarck.

In every sense Warspite´s history is one full of commitments, action, danger and achievement. I agree that fate put Hood precisely in the path of the one warship that could damage her, a real shame because it was such a beautifull ship with such a colorfull history.

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[RF]

RF:

Warspite and Hood both had very long service records, Warspite was always in situations her commander and firepower could handle. Unlike Hood who was drawn against Bismarck.

In every sense Warspite´s history is one full of commitments, action, danger and achievement. I agree that fate put Hood precisely in the path of the one warship that could damage her, a real shame because it was such a beautifull ship with such a colorfull history.

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Outside of WW1 I don't think Warspite was involved in serious action against enemy battleships. She could have been torpedoed in Narvik Fjord by German destroyers, but otherwise was not in situations where her survival was at serious risk.

As an aside am I right in thinking that the Narvik battle was the only time in WW2 that German destroyers attempted torpedo attacks on Allied battleships?

[longreach]

Hi everyone,,,WOW this will always get a debate going(the Greatest warship ever).I think if you look at all the different navys,They each have 1 or so ships that are GREAT as far as each country is concerned.BISMARCK is my choice(bias).BUT from an Australian point of view the HMAS AUSTRALIA ww2 will always be counted as our greatest ship.the hood was probably the most famous RN ship of all time,and BISMARCK the most famous battleship,but then again the mighty MO is probably the most famous US battleship,as for the best we all have our own thoughts on that and i dont think we could all agree on ONE ship as being the GREATEST ever.

Close the range......I cant see enough hits ......Adm cunningham.

[_Derfflinger_]

I would agree that the USS Missouri, BB63, is probably the most famous USN battleship - not so much for her service action history, but for the following reasons:

- She is an Iowa class BB
- She was the most publicized Iowa class BB when new as she was named for the home state of then President Harry S Truman
- Her informal name, "Mighty Mo", really stuck and was very popular
- She was the host site of the formal Japanese surrender ceremony in Tokyo Bay, thus ending WW2
- She became even more famous after WW2 by getting stuck on a mud shoal just off the US coast. I remember the pics in Life magazine as a kid
- The original Revell ship model was of the Mighty Mo. (My first ship model as a kid. I loved it.)
- She served off Korea and saw action again in the first Gulf war
- She became a movie star (I don't remember the name - bad movie, neat ship!)
- She hosted a Cher concert that received a lot of publicity
- She is now a memorial off Ford Island at Pearl Harbor, right below USS Arizona. The two BB's are there together, with US flags still proudly flying - a memorial to both the start and the end of WW2 in the Pacific.

Just my thoughts.

Derf

[lwd]

KB:

Ther is no doubt that the greatest warship was Prinz Eugen. The amount of conflicts that ship went through and only came out with minor damage was astonishing. It even sailed through the English channel with Scharnhorst and came out with a few minor hits nothing that couldn't be repaired quickly. Even after the war it survived as a training ship for many years to the US Navy.
No doubt that Prinz Eugen was the greates ever warship.

I agree that PE was a great ship, one of the greatest ships ever. She even survived a nuclear blast without sinking. ....

I don't think I'd go even that far. Over weight for what she brought to the table. PE had a cranky power plant and while she was involved in quite a few conflicts she was on the edge rather than the middle of most of them (including the nuclear blasts). I don't think she was ever a training ship and the US crew that sailed her were far from impressed from what I've read. I think it's probably easier to make a case for several of the Japanese or British CAs.

If we're talking BBs I'll go along with your suggestion of Warspite two World wars and significant contributions in both. If we're talking smaller vessels I'll have to think on it for a while.

[Karl Heidenreich]

_Derfflinger_:

- She hosted a Cher concert that received a lot of publicity

That´s the most important event that ever took place on board this or any battleship! As I wrote a year ago: Cher outweights McArthur receiving the Japanese surrender any time...

Here is the link of that important naval event:

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=0LdMNm5vV ... ed&search=

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[_Derfflinger_]

_Derfflinger_:

- She hosted a Cher concert that received a lot of publicity

That´s the most important event that ever took place on board this or any battleship! As I wrote a year ago: Cher outweights McArthur receiving the Japanese surrender any time...

Karl - Ha! I agree - Cher was a bit more impressive than Mac or the Japanese dignitaries, for sure!

Derf

[Terje Langoy]

- She became a movie star (I don't remember the name - bad movie, neat ship!)

The movie would be "under Siege" starring an actor completely unable to express any mood or state of mind. I'm of course talking about the extremely talented actor Steven Seagal (also claimed to be a martial art expert) I wouldn't recommend this movie to anyone, despite the fact that the Missouri could be seen. Find some images on the net instead! This will give you just as much pleasure and you don't have to suffer Steven Seagal.

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[longreach]

G,day eveyone JUST A LITTLE POINT HERE !!!!! about FAIR.....WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WARFARE.........THERE IS NO f***ing FAIR!!!......OK......
YOU GET THE OTHER POOR BASTARD BEFORE HE GETS YOU!!!!!!!ANYWAY YOU CAN..... YOU DONT GIVE THE BLOKE A CHANCE TO GET YOU OR YOUR MATES....SHIP.......AIRCRAFT.....TANK....WHAT EVER....I'm Sorry to those of you who get offended by this statement...but the truth is there is no FAIRNESS about war......NOT FOR THOSE WHO FIGHT AND FALL OR THOSE WHO COME HOME OR FOR THOSE LEFT AT HOME TO WORRY IF THEY WILL EVER SEE LOVED ONES AGAIN........FOR ALL SIDES THERE IS NOTHING BUT MISERY,,,AND SUFFERING.....

[MichaelC]

CV-6 Enterprise

[Gary]

Warspite and Hood both had very long service records, Warspite was always in situations her commander and firepower could handle. Unlike Hood who was drawn against Bismarck.



Warspite came under fire from numerous big guns at Jutland when the rudder jammed.

Warspite also could have found herself in trouble at Calabria if not for the long range hit and if the Italians had pressed their attack.

Then there was the glider bomb hit.

True, Warspite never encountered an opponent such as Bismarck but to say that the warspite was always in situations that her commander and firepower could handle is maybe a little misleading.

[Terje Langoy]

Concerning the movie "Under siege" and the Mighty Mo, it has recently come to my attention that although the plot in this movie evolves around BB-63 Missouri, parts of the movie was actually filmed aboard BB-60 Alabama. External views of the ship might show the Missouri but when filmed aboard the ship, it is said to be the Alabama. And that might be nice to know although some of you perhaps already knew.

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