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US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby Kyler » Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:28 pm

Yesterday at the G-20 summit the leaders of US, UK, and France called Iran out about their nuclear ambitions. What is everyone’s opinion on what is going with the Iran situation? Do you think Iran needs to submit to further nuclear inspections from the UN? Is the situation overblown because of Iran's unusual (crazy)president?
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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby Bgile » Sat Sep 26, 2009 5:04 pm

Kyler wrote:Yesterday at the G-20 summit the leaders of US, UK, and France called Iran out about their nuclear ambitions. What is everyone’s opinion on what is going with the Iran situation? Do you think Iran needs to submit to further nuclear inspections from the UN? Is the situation overblown because of Iran's unusual (crazy)president?


I think Iran plans to build a nuclear weapon. I expect them to succeed in doing so. I believe the president of Iran has stated that he plans to destroy Israel. I believe that if the Israelis decide he is about to use nuclear weapons against them, the will attack preemtively, probably with their own nuclear weapons. Maybe Israel will be destroyed and Iran will be hurt badly and people will celebrate all over the Middle east. Then their leaders will need another boogieman to focus their discontent.

I don't know there is anything other countries will do about this, and I certainly don't think sanctions will work. Full participation of Russia and China would be required and I don't see that happening. It's like looking at a train wreck that is about to happen and you can't stop it.

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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby RF » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:25 am

Bgile, if Israel is destroyed by nuclear weapons there will be little to celebrate in the neighbouring Arab states as they will get a full blast of nuclear contamination and any idiots inclined to celebrate would be quickly silenced by radiation sickness.
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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby RF » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:33 am

President Obama has tried a policy of reapproachment with Iran. The Iranian leadership doesn't want reapproachment, they want to keep the US and Israel as the bogeymen.

I have no doubt that Iran wants nuclear weapons, using western technology. Herein is the ludicrous politics of the situation - they hate the west, but are dependent on their technology. And that is the weakness, the same weakness as the Taliban. If Iran is a threat, that is a job for Mossad and the CIA to sort out. No publicity, no political statements or posturing by the west, the Iranian leader just has a sticky end or falls victim to domestic political rivals. And certainly no western military intervention, that is one lesson from Afghanistan.
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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby RF » Mon Sep 28, 2009 7:39 am

Bgile wrote:
I believe that if the Israelis decide he is about to use nuclear weapons against them, the will attack preemtively, probably with their own nuclear weapons.


Israel cannot afford for political reasons to make first use of nuclear weapons. And as I observed above not even Likud would want their own people to get radiation sickness from their own nuclear weapons, particulary as any nuclear strikes would by definition have to include Gaza and the Golan.
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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby Bgile » Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:16 pm

RF wrote:
Bgile wrote:
I believe that if the Israelis decide he is about to use nuclear weapons against them, the will attack preemtively, probably with their own nuclear weapons.


Israel cannot afford for political reasons to make first use of nuclear weapons. And as I observed above not even Likud would want their own people to get radiation sickness from their own nuclear weapons, particulary as any nuclear strikes would by definition have to include Gaza and the Golan.


What difference would it make to them if Israel is reduced to molten slag?

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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby RF » Mon Sep 28, 2009 1:58 pm

I assume that even the most dedicated supporter of a greater Israel doesn't really want Israel reduced to molten slag..... Otherwise what is the point of their political position?
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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby Bgile » Mon Sep 28, 2009 4:19 pm

RF wrote:I assume that even the most dedicated supporter of a greater Israel doesn't really want Israel reduced to molten slag..... Otherwise what is the point of their political position?


Obviously. So If you are the Isreali leader and your country is about to be destroyed by Iran's nuclear weapons, what what are you going to do? It really seems to be a no win situation, and it has been for quite some time now.

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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby Karl Heidenreich » Tue Sep 29, 2009 7:51 pm

I agree with Bgile assesment. And I think it is more likely to happen that way than merely joking.
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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby RF » Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:02 am

The whole essence of nuclear war is that the only winning move is not to play, as shown in the film ''War Games.''
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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby Kyler » Fri Oct 02, 2009 4:22 am

RF wrote:The whole essence of nuclear war is that the only winning move is not to play, as shown in the film ''War Games.''


I don't think Iran has figured that out yet, I am worried that they won't realize until their country is a smoldering crater.
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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby RF » Fri Oct 02, 2009 7:35 am

I think Kyler that the Iranians are more savvy than you think. The posturing is very much a front, what this is about is bolstering the position of their President.
Destroy Israel? They know that isn't going to happen.
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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby Karl Heidenreich » Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:00 pm

RF;

Why are so certain this bozos would not try to destroy Israel? They are a bunch of ignorant fanatics with money, as once Saddam was. Western powers are weak or show weakness that will make them bolder. They already know that the US will never fire a nuclear device against someone, whatever reason, specially a Democratic goverment. They have the technology or are in their way to achieve it. And even if they all die Allah will welcome them to Heaven, so it´s not that bad to give it a try...
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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby RF » Mon Oct 05, 2009 8:21 am

Karl, you focus on Obama and the US. You ignore Israel itself. The Israeli's have far less reluctance to use what it takes to ensure their survival. And the Israeli's have a long reach, as I said before, as Idi Amin discovered when they paid him a visit at Entebbe.
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Re: US, UK, FRANCE's New Stance on Iran?

Postby Bgile » Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:27 pm

I'm now convinced that it would be bad for the US to attack Iran's nuclear facilities. It would eliminate the internal opposition to Amadinejad (sp?), uniting the country behind him, and would only delay their getting nuclear weapons by another year or two. It would also unite the Middle east against the US. I also think the Israelis might attack them, and that that would force the US into the conflagration. Any attack by the Israelis would be assumed to have US backing even if it didn't.


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