Spanish Book Cruiser Canarias

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Spanish Book Cruiser Canarias

Post by Tiornu » Mon Nov 01, 2004 9:37 pm

Has anyone had a look at Historia y Estela del Crucero Canarias by Jose Barcelo-Fortuny? I'm curious to know if it has any armor schematics or other technical information that might be useful for me.

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Post by José M. Rico » Tue Nov 02, 2004 2:02 am

Hello Tiornu,

It is always a pleasure to help with Spanish books, however I know little about this one. It has been just recently released and I haven’t had time to browse through it. It has been published by “Almena Ediciones” and you can read more about it here:

http://www.libreria-almena.com/NOVEDADES_ALMENA.jpg

Still I don’t think it has armor schematics at all. From what I read it is more about the long operational career of the ship.

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Post by Tiornu » Tue Nov 02, 2004 5:08 am

Thanks. If you learn any more specifics, please let me know.

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Post by Michal Kopacz » Fri Nov 26, 2004 9:37 pm

Tiornu,

There is nice article in WI 2/1979 about Canarias, but you probably know it.

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Post by Tiornu » Sat Nov 27, 2004 12:10 am

That's right, I have that one. I also have the thin Polish book on her.

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Post by Javier L. » Sat Nov 27, 2004 4:55 pm

Hello. What is WI 2/1979? A journal, magazine.... :?:

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Post by Tiornu » Sat Nov 27, 2004 8:47 pm

Yes, that's Warship International, Number 2, 1979.

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Post by Tiornu » Tue Jan 11, 2005 6:46 am

I have another question about the ships. Can anyone say for certain that Canarias and Baleares mounted their torpedo tubes, or did circumstances prevent the actual installation?

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Post by José M. Rico » Thu Jan 13, 2005 1:23 am

The intended torpedo tubes for these cruisers (12 tubes, 6 per side) were never mounted. First because of the outbreak of the Spanish Civil War and the need to put the ships in service as soon as possible, and after the war it was decided not to mount the torpedo tubes in the Canarias anymore. The Baleares was sunk in March 1938.

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Post by Tiornu » Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:29 am

Thanks for that. I had heard this was the case, but I needed confirmation. Can you tell me what references address this? I was looking at the old Warship International article, which is very good, though it does claim the tubes were mounted. It says the tubes were removed from Canarias after WWII; I wonder if this is because the openings in the hull were plated over at that time...?

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Post by José M. Rico » Thu Jan 13, 2005 8:27 pm

After WWII torpedo tubes were never mounted and during the Spanish Civil War there was just no time to do that. Source I checked:

Historia Marítima Española
Teniente de Navío Francisco Javier Oubiña
Publicación 297
Escuela Naval Militar
Marin

Also take a a look at:

http://www.kbismarck.com/mgl/cruisers.htm

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Post by Tiornu » Fri Jan 14, 2005 7:37 am

Thanks.

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Post by José M. Rico » Tue Feb 01, 2005 5:43 pm

I finally had the opportunity to browse through "Historia y Estela del Crucero Canarias" by Jose Barcelo-Fortuny at my local bookstore. It is probably the best single volume published about this cruiser. A very good book overall, it includes full history, origins, construction, civil war engagements, Bismarck rescue operation, post-war service up until 1975, scrapping, technical information, and a few drawings. Full of photos (some not very good quality though). It also confirms that no torpedo tubes were ever mounted on the ship.

http://www.libreriadenautica.com/items/LHEC-1.html

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One of Canarias' 8" turrets on display today at the Spanish Naval Academy, Marín (Pontevedra).

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Canarias and other spanish cruisers' book

Post by Alfonso Arenas » Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:12 pm

Hi, all

There is a 219 pages book very rare and very hard to find that is, to my opinion, the best about spanish cruisers. It is very rare because it was not intended for selling. Its purpose was to serve as a present to personalities (politicians, ambassators, high ranking officers and so on). It was edited in very reduced quantity (2.086 units only), and there is no price for them. It was published in 1993, the editor was the 'Empresa Nacional Bazán' (the spanish navy yard), the ISBN code is 84-87063-06-3, the title is 'El Crucero en la Armada Española' (The Cruiser in the Sapnish Navy), and the head of the writing team is Carlos Fernández Santander.

The level of detail, technical and historical info, and the quality of pictures excedes widely the standars on the genre. Only the Koop & Schmolke books could be comparable. The price, in consequence, in unmeasurable. Time to time appears an unit in the resellers shops, usually because the death of the owner. I have seen two or three copies in regular condition at no less than €200 (to me a reasonable prize, giving the facts). I reccomend it very warmly to any really interested in the surprising spanish cruisers.

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Alfonso

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Re: Canarias and other spanish cruisers' book

Post by Tiornu » Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:19 pm

Oh my goodness! These rare books will be the death of me.
What ships does it cover?

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