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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby RF » Sat Oct 10, 2009 9:57 am

Not much scope however for women in a new Jutland movie....
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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby Karl Heidenreich » Sat Oct 10, 2009 1:10 pm

Not much scope however for women in a new Jutland movie....


Wrong! If the movie is a Hollywood film every gender and race will be represented, at least in the British Fleet, to depict a democratic force against the evil German (and saxon) Empire. Jellicoe will be Morgan Freeman whilst Beatty could be given to Brad Pitt. Maybe Evan Thomas could be of Hindu descent or gay that want to marry another guy and adopt a Sudanese handicaped toddler. Of course the G2 personnel (spy) will be a woman like Kate Beckinsdale or a treachearous Diane Kruger that grabs the German written battle plan from Berlin itself and runs to a hidden submarine in the middle of Wilhelmshaven to give it to Jellicoe-Freeman. Queen Latifah or Oprah herself will be a special and secret envoy from President Wilson and will give lectures to a young Winston Churchill interpreted by Ewan McGregor. At the end of the movie, while the allies celebrate the victory (including the french for the outstanding help they provided in the incarnation of Jean Reno as some Admiral resembling Jean Lafitte) we will see, then, a demoralized German crowd reading the newspapers. One guy throws away his copy of the newspaper saying to his soldier pals: "One day I will build a fleet that will humilliate the British" One of his friends answers: "Come on Adolf, our wise Emperor knows best, let´s go to the beerhall and drink some beers and then you can draw a potrait of the owner´s dog..."

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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby RF » Mon Oct 12, 2009 7:58 am

Such a film Karl wouldn't even be fiction, it would be fantasy.
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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby Karl Heidenreich » Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:45 am

RF;

Such film will not be fantasy, will be political correct...
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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby RF » Mon Oct 12, 2009 1:50 pm

Karl, that is a contradiction of terms. Isn't political correctness borne of the world of fantasy?
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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby Karl Heidenreich » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:08 am

RF:

Karl, that is a contradiction of terms. Isn't political correctness borne of the world of fantasy?


Of course you are right, man. But... ssshhh! If the leftists hear you say that they will ban you for being a fascist or a Ku Klux Klan member...
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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby Byron Angel » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:25 am

I have long advocated for a movie (or TV series) on the life of David Beatty. His life story would put to shame the best efforts of even the most outrageous novelist.

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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby Karl Heidenreich » Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:45 pm

From what I have heard is the life of Lord Jackie Fisher the one that could be one of notorious scandals and outrage. In what sense Beatty´s life, aside from the Admiral portion of it, is dramatic?
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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby Byron Angel » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:53 am

Karl Heidenreich wrote:From what I have heard is the life of Lord Jackie Fisher the one that could be one of notorious scandals and outrage. In what sense Beatty´s life, aside from the Admiral portion of it, is dramatic?



LOL Where do I start?

Son of minor Irish nobility and mad horseman in the fox hunt.

Assigned to Queen Victoria's yacht, where he meets and carries on a youthful dalliance with a Romanian princess.

Leads squadron of British gunboats through the deadly dangerous passage of the Nile cataracts during the Mahdist uprising and leads an exciting river war against the Dervishes along the Upper Nile. Participates in the Battle of Omdurman by flanking and bombarding the Dervish army with his gunboat. After the battle, he tosses a bottle of champagne to a young man on the Nile river bank who turns out to be war correspondent Winston Churchill, who a decade becomes his mentor and champion in the Admiralty.

Later participates in the Boxer Rebellion, where he is wounded and decorated for bravery.

Returns to England and meets the married American socialite Ethel Tree, heiress to the vast Marshall Field department store fortune, richest woman in the world, and emotionally unbalanced nymphomaniac. He woos her away from her husband and they marry, fomenting a major social scandal in English polite society which reaches all the way to Buckingham Palace. He ends up with a family yacht, estates the length and breadth of Great Britain, and his own personal family ocean-going steam yacht.

As the fair-haired chosen boy of the Royal Navy, he is catapulted over the heads of numerous senior officers to become the youngest admiral since Nelson. He refuses the Admiralty's first offer of a command - something completely unheard of, and gets away with it. He is ultimately given command of the first ever Battle Cruiser Squadron. Instead of staying around to oversee the fitting out of HMS LION, Beatty yachts off to Monaco to gamble.

On the eve of the outbreak of WW1, he is with his battlecruiser squadron on a port visit to Kronstadt hosting a gigantic ball aboard ship to entertain the Russian imperial court and the cream of St Petersburg society.

Less than a month after the English entry into the war, he takes his battlecruisers in a madly risky foray into the Heligoland Bight to rescue Tyrwhitt and not only gets away scot-free, but sinks several German light cruisers in the bargain.

Dogger Bank five months later.

The drama of Jutland the following year.

Beatty then succeeds Jellicoe as CiC Grand Fleet and ultimately presides over the dramatic surrender of the High Sea Fleet at the end of the war. This event is punctuated by a dramatic memorable speech by Beatty to the sailors of the fleet.

Interspersed with all that, Beatty discovers that his wife has been screwing every officer she can lay hands on during his absences yet remains faithful to her. He himself carries on an affair with a much younger woman during his service as CiC Grand Fleet.

After the war his old signal officer Ralph Seymour (yes THAT Seymour) asks Beatty's permission to marry Beatty's niece. Beatty refuses and a disconsolate Seymour commits suicide by throwing himself off a seaside cliff.

Beatty becomes First Lord of the Admiralty after the war and becomes embroiled in a huge feud over the Harper Report and comes to dagger points with Jellicoe over his conduct at Jutland. Upon Jellicoe's death, Beatty insists upon acting as a pall-bearer at Jellicoe's state funeral procession. The day of the funeral is cold and rainy; Beatty contracts pneumonia and ultimately dies himself.

Beatty, in his life, counted among his circle of friends and acquaintances almost every notable character of Great Britain from the royal family to Winston Churchill and Jacky Fisher.

Beatty was also a devotee of fortune-tellers and a rabid anti-semite.


Good biography of Beatty - "Admiral of the Fleet Earl Beatty - The Last Naval Hero: an Intimate Biography" by Stephen Roskill. Just an unbelievable life and one which would make a fabulous movie or TV series (only if done proper in England however!).


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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby Karl Heidenreich » Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:02 am

:ok: :clap:
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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby lwd » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:23 pm

Sounds like enough for a whole series of films just on him.

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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby Karl Heidenreich » Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:39 pm

Yeah, entitled "Lust and Sea"...
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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby tommy303 » Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:03 pm

An interesting note on Beatty. He did not endear himself to his former German foes, and while the Reichsmarine was happy to send a delegation to the state funeral for Jellicoe, they outright refused a request by the British government to send a similar delegation to Beatty's.

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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby Karl Heidenreich » Thu Oct 15, 2009 10:39 pm

Interesting note.
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Re: 2011: Jutland movie!

Postby RF » Fri Oct 16, 2009 1:36 pm

Interesting indeed, but if such a film were to be made in Britain it would be watered down politically.
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