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Post by Ulrich Rudofsky » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:25 am

He noted that
photographs of Hitler appeared throughout the ship and that, on entering the
wardroom, every officer formally saluted one. or
Yes, that was even the standard for us elementary school children when entering or leaving the schoolhouse. We had to salute the picture, too, or get ready for some punishment.
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Post by José M. Rico » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:35 am

Ulrich Rudofsky wrote:
He noted that photographs of Hitler appeared throughout the ship and that, on entering the
wardroom, every officer formally saluted one. or
Yes, that was even the standard for us elementary school children when entering or leaving the schoolhouse. We had to salute the picture, too, or get ready for some punishment.
Really? You had to salute even pictures of Hitler hanging out of a wall? I thought that could happen within the Hitler youth but ... How old were you anyway Ulrich?

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Post by Ulrich Rudofsky » Wed Jul 08, 2009 10:44 am

Six in 1941. But I think it was even done in Kindergarten. I was permanently kicked out of Kindergarten after just a few days for being too hard to handle! :oops: :D
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Re: "Graf Spee" Album

Post by Ulrich Rudofsky » Thu Jul 23, 2009 8:21 pm

Salutes cont'd............. http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1O129-HeilHitler.html
"Heil Hitler! Heil (‘hail’ or ‘long live’) was a traditional word of acclamation in Germany; the crowds shouted Heil Hitler! when Hitler was released from prison in 1924. The Nazi Party first used it during a parade in 1925 in conjunction with the Nazi salute which Hitler had adopted from the Italian fascist salute. When Goebbels became Gauleiter of Berlin in 1926 he made it the compulsory greeting between party members."

PS: Does anyone know if the "Heil Hitler!" is actually copyrighted or who has "Urheberrecht"? BTW addressing Adolf Hitler in person was not "Heil Hitler!" but "Heil mein Führer!"
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Post by Terje Langoy » Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:40 pm

Ulrich Rudofsky wrote:PS: Does anyone know if the "Heil Hitler!" is actually copyrighted or who has "Urheberrecht"? BTW addressing Adolf Hitler in person was not "Heil Hitler!" but "Heil mein Führer!"
I always assumed that the "Heil Hitler" and its salute were phrases/gestures dating back to the Roman Empire. I think the Roman soldiers used the phrase "Ave Cesare" accompanied by an extended right arm - though this was executed by first knocking the right fist to the chest and then fully extend the arm horizontally, still with the fist closed. However, I'm not 100% sure and the more I think of it, the more uncertain I get.

Do they have copyright on such things..?

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Post by Karl Heidenreich » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:50 am

The nazis, as all fascists, used the roman salute as part of their dramatics. Remember that all kings of Europe, at one point or another, have wanted to be appointed as the "emperor" from Charlemagne to Hitler passing through Napoleon and other guys like that.

A serious problem that we, westerners, have at the moment to admire a German hero of the WWII era is that he must be both: a German hero and an Anti Nazi. That´s the reason that Rommel is such a SuperStar for the allies: he was a farily good commander and not a nazi. But what abouy other guys that were not that critical of the nazi regime as Eric Hartmann or Gunther Prien? Or what about an outright nazi as Michael Witmann? It is very hard for the westerners to put together the figure of the nazi and that of the hero. The problem is that there were lots of nazi heroes, also. Was Lutjens one of them? At least he cannot be regarded as a hero. Then, was he anti or pro nazi? Who cares? Did Villeneuve was pro Napoleon or pro monarquist? Who cares? We can care is the final result of their commands.
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Post by RF » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:16 pm

Karl Heidenreich wrote:The nazis, as all fascists, used the roman salute as part of their dramatics.
Not strictly correct Karl.

The Roman Army salute originally was clenched fist pressed against left breast of the torso. A later variation was a raised right arm with forearm almost vertical and open palm of hand which was held vertical to the floor. This was copied by the Italian fascisti in the early 1920's and remained the official Italian fascist salute until Mussolini was deposed.
Hitler adopted a straight right arm salute with hand and fingers parallel to arm; unlike the Italian fascist salute the open palm was not shown to the target of the salute. Hitler himself used what I have described eleswhere as the ''Hitler wave'' namely right forarm bent back and open palm of hand facing the sky.

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Post by RF » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:21 pm

Ulrich Rudofsky wrote:
PS: Does anyone know if the "Heil Hitler!" is actually copyrighted
Copyrighted? If that were so, it could hardly be enforced in today's Germany!!!!!!
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Re: "Graf Spee" Album

Post by Ulrich Rudofsky » Fri Jul 24, 2009 1:27 pm

Actually, he had variations in his salute..stiff arm or bent elbow etc.

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