target ship hessen/ACR lutzow

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target ship hessen/ACR lutzow

Post by sdae102 » Mon Feb 22, 2010 12:46 am

Does anyone have infromation and/or photos of the target ship hessen captured by soviet forces in 1945? And data as to the ship's soviet career as Tsel? And the same data for the Lutzow?

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Post by RF » Tue Feb 23, 2010 1:50 pm

Is this the pre-dreadnought battleship that was allowed to be retained by the Reichsmarine under the Versailles Treaty, and ''scrapped'' to make way for the construction of the Admiral Graf Spee?
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Post by Dave Saxton » Tue Feb 23, 2010 7:57 pm

Check your PMs.

I have a couple of photocopies of Hessen. Its not much, but one proves that Tirpitz wasn't using HE or contact fuse munitions in the 25km shoots refered to by Breyer. Another indicates very low dispersion at 25km from the 38cm guns.
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Post by Bgile » Tue Feb 23, 2010 8:32 pm

Dave Saxton wrote:Check your PMs.

I have a couple of photocopies of Hessen. Its not much, but one proves that Tirpitz wasn't using HE or contact fuse munitions in the 25km shoots refered to by Breyer. Another indicates very low dispersion at 25km from the 38cm guns.
What was the dispersion?

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Post by Dave Saxton » Wed Feb 24, 2010 2:55 pm

It appears to have been somewhat less than 100 meters.
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Re: target ship hessen/ACR lutzow

Post by alecsandros » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:11 am

Dave Saxton wrote:Check your PMs.

I have a couple of photocopies of Hessen. Its not much, but one proves that Tirpitz wasn't using HE or contact fuse munitions in the 25km shoots refered to by Breyer. Another indicates very low dispersion at 25km from the 38cm guns.
Hello,
I just stumbled across this thread.

DOes anyone know if Hessen was in motion during the bombardment ? Or any other details of the artillery tests that are not mentioned by Breyer ?

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Re: target ship hessen/ACR lutzow

Post by ede144 » Wed Jun 12, 2013 11:53 am

Without details and primary sources. Hessen was radio controlled and was able to change course and speed

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Post by alecsandros » Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:00 pm

ede144 wrote:Without details and primary sources. Hessen was radio controlled and was able to change course and speed
I know,
But was she changing course and made good speed during the tests ?

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