hi Karl,I'm not going to disagree on most of your list,only I would put the Scharnhorst in frount of hood in the most beautiful list,Hood was a good looking lady.but i like the look of the Scharnhorst (with the clipper bow).
Now its time to RUN , DOWN , CRAWL , OBSERVE , AIM , RETURN FIRE.
Note: Repulse got into the list because her part in Force Z. I moved up Schanhorst because people in this forum look fond for this vessel. PoW moved in Warspite place because her involvement in DS and in Malaya.
II. Top Ten Most Beautifull WWII BBs and BCs
1. Bismarck Class
2. Schanhorst
3. HMS Warspite
4. Roma
5. HMS Hood
6. HMS Repulse
7. Richelieu
8. KGV
9. Yamato
10. USS Alabama
Note: USS Alabama got in at BlueMax1 request and photo. The Schanhorst got above Hood (again). A lot of people like the looks of the Twins.
III. Top Ten Most Powerfull WWII BBs and BCs
1.Yamato Class
2. Iowa Class
3. South Dakota Class
4. North Carolina Class
5. Bismarck Class
6. Richelieu
7. Nelson Class
8. Nagato Class
9. Littorio Class
10. KGV Class
Note: No changes. Yamato´s 18" are the non plus ultra. Just give her a radar and look what she can do to the Iowas... (as a matter of fact maybe she didn´t even need the radar)
Special Mention:
HMS Vanguard (post WWII BB)
Most Ugly WWII BB:
Gangut
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Sir Winston Churchill
Karl - I'd suggest revising your "Most Beautiful" list to the Scharnhorst Class, rather than just Scharnhorst.
Personally, though I regard Scharnhorst as one of my most favorite ships ever, as do many others, I think the Gneisenau was a bit the better looker because of her more graceful Atlantic bow. So, she at least should be included in the listing.
Did you ever define what your definition of "powerful" is?
I'm wondering why a couple of 16" armed battleships are rated less powerul than 15" gunned ships. Indeed some 16"guned BBs didn't even make the list.
I wonder how is it that since August 2006 until now no one has ever asked for that definition? And this thread is 12 pages long...
Every single one of the readers and posters have understand it and discuss it without trying to hijack the thread with such "semantic" questions... (because I suspect someone will hijack this thread on semantic reasons)
Definition of powerfull:
YAMATO
Kind regards...
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Sir Winston Churchill
That is hardly a definition it's and example and without clarification not a particularly useful one. As far as the Yamato vs Iowa it was pretty clear where the differences of opinion and capability are. I was curious about some of the ratings further down. Asking what the bases for an ranking is is hardly just semantics although there is a bit of that involved.
You´re right about your apreciation of the subject, of course.
lwd:
I will quote myself:
I wonder how is it that since August 2006 until now no one has ever asked for that definition? And this thread is 12 pages long...
Every single one of the readers and posters have understand it and discuss it without trying to hijack the thread with such "semantic" questions... (because I suspect someone will hijack this thread on semantic reasons)
Best regards.
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Sir Winston Churchill
1.Yamato Class
2. Iowa Class
3. South Dakota Class
4. North Carolina Class
5. Bismarck Class
6. Richelieu
7. Nelson Class
8. Nagato Class
9. Littorio Class
10. KGV Class
I would put KGV into a tie with Bismarck (and I'm sure you will all agree...) due to her combination of speed, armour, firepower and FC. Nelson and Nagato are too slow, while Littorio and Richelieu had dispersion and barrel life problems with the main armament.
You´re right about your apreciation of the subject, of course.
So protection isn't a feature of how powerful a battleship is?
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I will quote myself:
I wonder how is it that since August 2006 until now no one has ever asked for that definition? And this thread is 12 pages long...
Since a lot of the discussion centered around Iowa vs Yamato it was pretty clear that the only area of debate was whether Iowas FC advantages could offset Yamatos so it wasn't as necessary to ask. However your statement that "no one has ever asked for that definition" is at least debateable. Note that on the 4th post on this thread the question is at least asked by implication.
One of the reasons I asked was based on the above is it clear that Bismark should rank higher than say Richilou or Rodney?
I would put KGV into a tie with Bismarck (and I'm sure you will all agree...) due to her combination of speed, armour, firepower and FC. Nelson and Nagato are too slow, while Littorio and Richelieu had dispersion and barrel life problems with the main armament.
Very interesting, indeed dunmuro. I agree with you about Nelson, Nagato, Littorio and Richelieu. What´s your idea about them in terms of the list?
About KGV I don´t know... The KGV was a 14 incher while Bismarck had the 15" which in modern vessels (as for WWII) was a lot of difference (well, two 14" shells of PoW were the ones that put Bismarck in serious trouble on May 24th...)
Kind regards
An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. Sir Winston Churchill
The KGV did seam to have some serious "teething" problems with their guns. Looking at the data for instance of Duke of York vs Scharnhorst from memory the British salvos averaged significantly less than 10 rounds per. Just where these ships fall firepower wise may depend on when you make the assesment and what ship or if you neglect these teething problems.