Keith Enge wrote:I too think that the US wouldn't invade. They would probably do what they actually did historically; let the Russian Army defeat the Germans. I think, if Great Britain had fallen, Stalin would believed his spies and not discounted the immediate German threat. If the troops on the Russian had thus been better prepared, they could have both better withstood the initial blitzkrieg and not had their air force destroyed on the ground. Therefore, even if the Germans had been able to commit more troops because of the absence of Great Britain, the Russians could have stopped the Germans at least as well as they did historically. Actually, Germany probably couldn't have committed that many more troops because a conquered Great Britain would still have to be garrisoned. Also, we are neglecting the fact that conquering Great Britain would surely have resulted in significant German losses to both the Army and Luftwaffe.
The US could still have helped the Russians even without the Russian convoys starting from England. Only 1/4 of lend-lease to the Russians went via those Russian convoys. Another 1/4 went up from the Persian Gulf. Fully 1/2 went to Vladivostok in ships or planes via Alaska. Quite a bit of the Russian convoy cargo was unnecessary anyway, consisting of tanks. The Russians were making far better tanks and actually asked that the shipping of tanks cease. The important stuff was locomotives, trucks, radios, etc, much of which went via Vladivostok and more could have gone that route if needed.
The end result of this scenario is that Germany would still have been defeated but the Iron Curtain would have been erected much closer to the Atlantic Ocean.
..... In my opinion - An early surrender by Great Britain would undoubtedly have rendered any invasion of Europe by the USA unfeasible. The immediate consequences of a British surrender would have been German occupation of Iceland and the seizure of Gibraltar and the Suez Canal. Control of those two point would have made the Mediterranean Sea into an Axis basin (and incidentally opened direct sea communications with Japan). Turkey, Arabia and Persia would more than likely have fallen into the German orbit, thus solving Germany's oil problems. There would have been no place for the USA to establish the necessary logistical base to support an invasion, not to mention the fact that I do not believe the USA would fundamentally have had the necessary strength on the ground to be successful in a European invasion effort.
Historically the US only entered ww2 after PH, they did not declare war on Germany.
neil hilton wrote:When France fell in 1940 to the blitzkrieg France became polarized into Vichy France and Free France, Frances overseas territories picked one side or the other and that determined whether they fought on or capitulated. If Britain had fallen I would expect British overseas territories at least to do the same, some would fight on and some would capitulate (if the British govt somehow managed to evacuate to say Canada then Britain would have to be occupied by a German garrison and British overseas territories including probably the Commonwealth nations would fight on. If so Gibralter, Suez and the middle east oilfields would remain off limits to the Axis.
One point also is that if Britain did fall what would the Commonwealth nations do? Would they continue to fight? Also what would the US immediately do? Historically the US only entered ww2 after PH, they did not declare war on Germany. However if Germany invaded the British Isles would they tolerate that? Or immediately declare war on Germany? If both the Commonwealth and the US became allied then both together may decide to continue the war.
This would mean a Commonwealth/US invasion of liberation of Britain would be likely IMO. Britain has a very very long coastline and would be nigh on impossible to guard properly and the populace would be eager for liberation, at least as much as the French population were.
neil hilton wrote:. Thus allowing protection of important bases like Gibralter and Malta and Egypt.
Although Egypt did have Nazi sympathies the local populace there may well have welcomed in the Germans,
neil hilton wrote:.... if they decided to fight on (like certain French overseas territories did when the declared for DeGaulles Free French forces).
neil hilton wrote: Also I think if you can land an invasion successfully in cornwall you can also land one in south Wales.
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