May 31st: Jutland´s 90th anniversary!!!
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May 31st: Jutland´s 90th anniversary!!!
Tomorrow is the 90th anniversary of one (if not the one) greatest naval battles in history: Jutland!
And still the debate is hot!
And still the debate is hot!
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Karl, what phase of the battle are you referring to? In the battle of Surigao, Fuso and Yamashiro couldn´t fire back because in the night they couldn´t see their radar-equipped oponents. In the Samar battle there were no US battleships present to protect the escort carriers.And Leyte Gulf? There were dreadnoughts present and fighting in classic battleline.
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Marcelo wrote:
But returning to Marcelo´s comment: you´re right with Surigao because the shooting came from the USN side (nevertheless a naval battle) and not from the IJN; and at Samar the Japanese had heavy units present but no so the USN whose light units put a ferocious resistance.
But many historians regard this action as the greatest naval battle of all time because the number of units (many dreadnoughts included) involved and the great casualty list. And there was a "crossing of the T" , and that´s something the world will never see again.
We can say that there was a battleship against battleship engagement in Surigao even if the Japanese weren´t able to answer the USN fire and we can say that in the rest of the Battle dreadnoughts were present conducting naval operations.
A shame that after Jutland no dreadnought fleet clash was ever seen in that same context. Leyte and Okinawa (Operation Ten Go) offered some oportunities for that but aircraft resolved the issue.
Well, I must admit that I rushed a bit but Leyte is, also, one of the greatest naval battles of all time. As a matter of fact being divided in phases gives us an idea of the scope and vastness of the operation: the preliminary phase in which the US subs detected the first Japanses formation approaching from the West; the second when this formation was attacked by Halsey´s aircraft; the third the famous Surigao Straits; the fourth in Cape Engaño and; fifth when Kurita´s force almost smashed the USN forces.Karl, what phase of the battle are you referring to? In the battle of Surigao, Fuso and Yamashiro couldn´t fire back because in the night they couldn´t see their radar-equipped oponents. In the Samar battle there were no US battleships present to protect the escort carriers.
But returning to Marcelo´s comment: you´re right with Surigao because the shooting came from the USN side (nevertheless a naval battle) and not from the IJN; and at Samar the Japanese had heavy units present but no so the USN whose light units put a ferocious resistance.
But many historians regard this action as the greatest naval battle of all time because the number of units (many dreadnoughts included) involved and the great casualty list. And there was a "crossing of the T" , and that´s something the world will never see again.
We can say that there was a battleship against battleship engagement in Surigao even if the Japanese weren´t able to answer the USN fire and we can say that in the rest of the Battle dreadnoughts were present conducting naval operations.
A shame that after Jutland no dreadnought fleet clash was ever seen in that same context. Leyte and Okinawa (Operation Ten Go) offered some oportunities for that but aircraft resolved the issue.
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Gary:
It´s very good news. Last week I saw the astonishing news about the salvage of the Jutland wrecks and find this quick reaction from the British a very good answer to that abhorrent practice.
I hope that the political correct goverment of Germany do it´s part and protect the German ships sunk there.
Best regards.
It´s very good news. Last week I saw the astonishing news about the salvage of the Jutland wrecks and find this quick reaction from the British a very good answer to that abhorrent practice.
I hope that the political correct goverment of Germany do it´s part and protect the German ships sunk there.
Best regards.