Prinz Eugen torpedo missed launch at DS

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Prinz Eugen torpedo missed launch at DS

Post by Antonio Bonomi » Wed Jun 27, 2018 11:40 am

Hello everybody,

on the British side the Denmark Strait battle " regrettable aftermath " has been clarified.

Now it is time to analyze a similar occurrence, ... with NO Board of Inquiry written request for the involved Officers battle conduct or a Court Martial threat, ... on the German side.

In particular, the event regarding the missing launch of the Prinz Eugen torpedoes against the HMS Prince of Wales.

Here the documents :

http://www.kbismarck.com/archives/pg003.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubert_Schmundt

http://www.kbismarck.com/archives/pg002.html

http://www.kbismarck.com/archives/pg005.html

http://www.kbismarck.com/torpedowaffe-pg.html

and the related maps :

http://hmshood.com/history/denmarkstrai ... rpedos.htm

Opinions welcome ... I like to see how many " hooligan/deniers " we will be able to collect here too, ... :wink:

Bye Antonio
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Re: Prinz Eugen torpedo missed launch at DS

Post by Antonio Bonomi » Tue Jul 03, 2018 12:31 pm

Hello everybody,

for the ones that have read the above documents, maybe it is interesting to realize who were Adm Otto Schniewind and Adm Rolf Carls.

Here they are too :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_Schniewind

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolf_Carls

Those have been the High command Kriegsmarine Officers that after having received VizeAdm Hubert Schmundt ( responsible for the German Cruisers ) reports from Kpt zur See Helmut Brinkmann ( Prinz Eugen Captain ) and Lieutenant Sigurd Reimann ( Torpedo Officer Prinz Eugen ), ... as you can read above, ... provided their own way to read and evaluate the events occurred during the operation and provided the final solution for the matter.

NOTE :

I am sure that the most acute observer have noticed that on this document :

http://www.kbismarck.com/torpedowaffe-pg.html

One can read this detailed timing.


Berlin, den 3. Okt. 1941. - Oberkommando der Kriegsmarine T Wa Ib B. Nr. 2386/41 g.Kdos.

Hierzu Daten des KTB. :

05:47 - (DSZ)[deutsche Sommerzeit] Alarm
05:55 - Artillerie erwidert Feuer auf "Hood"
06:01 - "Bismarck" vernichtet "Hood"
06:02 - (nach T-Koppelblatt) Gegner "Prince of Wales" kommt in Torpedoreichentfernung
(nach telefonischer Meldung der Rechenstelle +- 0)
06:03 - "Prinz Eugen" weicht feindl. Torpedolaufbahnen aus, Beendigung des Gefechtes.

Bye. Antonio
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Re: Prinz Eugen torpedo missed launch at DS

Post by dunmunro » Tue Jul 03, 2018 9:23 pm

What is it that you are drawing our attention to?


The thing that becomes readily apparent is that there are major problems with PE's account of the battle.

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Re: Prinz Eugen torpedo missed launch at DS

Post by Antonio Bonomi » Thu Jul 05, 2018 12:44 pm

Hello everybody,

the only thing more than apparent lately is that somebody, ... mainly on one side taken of this story, ... has a lot of difficulties accepting the reality being written into the Official documents and reports.

Lucky us the documents are available and somebody else is able to find and present them to the readers, the final judges of this story as it must be.

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Re: Prinz Eugen torpedo missed launch at DS

Post by José M. Rico » Fri Jul 06, 2018 1:13 pm

Antonio,
What is actually the point of starting this thread? As the title suggests it should be to discuss the deployment of Prinz Eugen's torpedo battery during the engagement with Hood/PoW, right?

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Re: Prinz Eugen torpedo missed launch at DS

Post by Antonio Bonomi » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:23 pm

Hello everybody,

@ Jose Rico,

your question is right on the money ... :wink:

In any Navy, once the warship got back in their friendly harbor, it was necessary to submit the operation report to their High Command ( superiors ).

We have already seen how on the British side this caused considerable problems especially in relation to the Denmark Strait battle, but not only, and we have deeply analyzed how they managed them from the board of inquiry request until the decorations for example.

What I wanted to explain opening this thread is that on the German side they were not immune about a similar scrutiny being performed by the Kriegsmarine High Command Officers, as we can read.

VizeAdm Hubert Schmundt was requiring to Kpt H. Brinkmann the explanation on why the Prinz Eugen torpedoes were not deployed against the HMS Prince of Wales when she came at the closest point to the German formation at 06:01 and theoretically inside the torpedo range limits.

We can read Kpt. Brinkmann and the Torpedo Officer S. Reimann written responses to this question with their written justifications.

Interesting is also to read the Kriegsmarine High Command official reports approval of the explanations and the corrective action implemented by adding a new rangefinder dedicated to the torpedo tubes.

I have underlined above also how those reports do provide another very important official confirmation about the battle timings from the German side, ... in line with Hunter-Terry and Jasper for example, ... in my opinion the best timing references about this battle, ... the milestones.

Last but not least the fact that the Prinz Eugen did evaluate the possibility to launch the torpedoes on her port side toward the Prince of Wales at 06:01, ... by itself means that there was no Bismarck on her port side for sure, ... but we know this already.

Bye Antonio :D
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