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by RF
Wed May 19, 2021 6:56 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: KMS Admiral Hipper v HMS Berwick-25th Dec.1940
Replies: 23
Views: 7297

Re: KMS Admiral Hipper v HMS Berwick-25th Dec.1940

Neither did the Bismarck (until the torpedo hit on the stern) or Prinz Eugen.
by RF
Thu May 06, 2021 7:57 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: KMS Admiral Hipper v HMS Berwick-25th Dec.1940
Replies: 23
Views: 7297

Re: KMS Admiral Hipper v HMS Berwick-25th Dec.1940

As an aside, a ship called Jumna was in 1917 the second victim of SMS Wolf in the Indian Ocean.

Her crew were all captured and after a year in the tween decks of the Wolf arrived in Germany.
by RF
Thu May 06, 2021 7:54 am
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: KMS Admiral Hipper v HMS Berwick-25th Dec.1940
Replies: 23
Views: 7297

Re: KMS Admiral Hipper v HMS Berwick-25th Dec.1940

One can imagine the havoc if the attacker had been Scharnhorst and Gneisenau instead of Hipper, with clearer visibility and calmer seas.....
by RF
Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:07 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: the Twins plus Bismarck
Replies: 4
Views: 1101

Re: the Twins plus Bismarck

Another consideration was the overall fuel supply at the time, as the KM allocation of fuel was insufficient to allow major surface forays as proposed here. Barbarossa cut off the fuel supply from the Soviet Union at the same time that the Heer and Luftwaffe required massive quantities of fuel to su...
by RF
Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:43 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 203
Views: 14133

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

What would have been far more dangerous situation is if Bismarck's mission had been delayed until the Twins were ready and they had rendezvoused somewhere out in the Atlantic - but that's for hypothetical situations! That was precisely Lutjens advice to Raeder in early May 1941 but with Barbarossa ...
by RF
Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:39 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Vittorio Veneto in the Atlantic
Replies: 3
Views: 368

Re: Vittorio Veneto in the Atlantic

It would be an interesting scenario if VV was available for Operation Berlin, assuming the Regia Marina was prepared to have the ship under Lutjens command. The threat of a 15 inch gun battleship loose in the Atlantic - even if Italian - would have to be taken seriously by the RN, particulary if it ...
by RF
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:08 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 203
Views: 14133

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

paul.mercer wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:25 am

Also, if tugs had got to her surely she would have constantly been tying to veer off to one side, putting an enormous strain on one of the tugs which would have also been battling heavy sea conditions?
How big and powerful were the available tugs, is there any info on this?
by RF
Mon Apr 12, 2021 1:04 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 203
Views: 14133

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

I believe that the Robert Ballard expedition which found Bismarck established that the rudder was not merely ''jammed'' but had been blown back by the force of the torpedo detonation to the attaching keel plate, and was wrapped around it, which was why it couldn't be freed. I am not a naval engineer...
by RF
Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:51 am
Forum: World War II
Topic: Behind the Lines - Escape to Dunkirk
Replies: 0
Views: 695

Behind the Lines - Escape to Dunkirk

The title of this thread is the name of a 2020 film recently released, which I saw on Sony movie channel 40 last night.

Has anyone else seen this film, if so what do you think? Is the plot of this film credible, or even understandable?
by RF
Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:13 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Vittorio Veneto in the Atlantic
Replies: 3
Views: 368

Vittorio Veneto in the Atlantic

Can I raise a scenario I don't think has been raised before - what could have happened if the Vittorio Veneto had escaped into the Atlantic during 1940? There are of course a number of problems with this, being first one being how does the VV get through the Straits of Gibraltar unscathed and the ot...
by RF
Fri Apr 09, 2021 4:59 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 203
Views: 14133

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

For instance the USN cruisers Minneapolis and New Orleans both had their bows blown off by torpedoes, but with propulsion and rudders almost undamaged would have been prime candidates for sailing 60 or 70 miles or even 300 ?? I know this is going off at a tangent, but can I ask a quick question - H...
by RF
Fri Apr 09, 2021 7:44 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 203
Views: 14133

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

The proposal for towing KGV came from Churchill, not the Admiralty, Tovey was furious at the suggestion because KGV would have then been a sitting target for U-boats.
by RF
Wed Apr 07, 2021 7:57 am
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 203
Views: 14133

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

I think that the general opinion in this Forum is that nothing could be done to save the ship, the senior officers were all experienced seamen and no doubt did consider all the available options, but none were practicable in the prevailing weather conditions. We don't really know what was discussed...
by RF
Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:11 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 203
Views: 14133

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

Hi RF, You are absolutely correct on this point, the problem was that unlike the RN, once the German ships were far from home they had no safe haven to run to without risking internment which is why they were told not to engage with enemy capital ships in case they got severely damaged and refused ...
by RF
Wed Mar 31, 2021 6:13 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: bismark-after torpedo hit
Replies: 203
Views: 14133

Re: bismark-after torpedo hit

Hello Paul, yes, let's agree to disagree: IMHO fate of Bismarck was sealed by the single torpedo that blocked the rudders, not by having been merely located by airplanes. I think this statement does need some qualification. What doomed Bismarck was the lack of any effective support or back up in th...