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I could reproduce the Krupp formulae for all major german guns 15; 20,3; 28 c28; 28 c32; 38;40,6 and made a excel spreadsheet at the german marinearchivforum original thread http://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php/topic,12611.0.html file is here http://forum-marinearchiv.de/smf/index.php?action=d...

at the relevant distance we are talking about even a 430 mm armor is not able to prevent a penetration.
Aditional we dont know for sure the relative quality of french and german armor

I read it somewhere that according Mr Campbell the british miss an impact of a shell so its possible that two shells hit bismarck and possibly the 2 shells disabled Anton and at times Berta

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see my post here
viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1145&start=900#p34581





short sketch of german fircontrol
to my current knwledge
radar for range was first used in 1940 - circuit either
sketch reproduces this
download/file.php?id=206

Dave according Fritz Trenckle "Die deutschen Funkmessverfahren" there are 2 sets of the Feinpeileinrichtung a standard set mainly introduced to capitalships mid 1941 after the Bismarck sortie and a set Feinpeileinrichtung mit erweitertem Gerätesatz (extended equipment set) intruduced 1942 ...

the main cabeling was below the armored deck
cabeling for firecontrol equipment was within the 22cm armored pipes

The german Seetakt radar sets with Feinpeileinrichtung were able to detect flying shells as well as splashes of 6 inch and above

but i dont know the range discrimination and the ability for identifying shoot errors for line of fire

found a british document on diving shells There is also a interesting statment about the armor of Tirpitz but its also possible to be fictional. Seems to me, even they know the real thicknesses of whether deck and armored deck, they assume a thickness of horizontal protection equivalent to 6 inches ...

Construction plans from Koop Schmolke at Schlachtschiff.com
http://www.schlachtschiff.com/kriegsmar ... plaene.htm

It is reported that Seetakt received over horizon echoes from distances around 300 km.

according Krupp datasheets the SK 38 C 34e had a range of 35.6 km at 30deg elevation propellant 210 kg RPC-32 (16mm/7mm tube) lifetime of barrel 242 rounds according Baron v.Müllenheim-Rechberg the SK 38 used in the bismarck had a range of 36.2 km there were also some differences to the (same?) gun ...

The Bismarck ... has... well trained crews. This is questionable The Bismarck heavy artillery testings were not completed only few single shoots were performed, no long range shootings, no battery shootings in near combat stuations because of lack of time and technical difficulties. And also the AA...

yellowtail3 wrote: What deficiencies did the German ships have?

you can destill some of the deficiencies from this thread

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=216

My own calculations indicate about 405mm at 22,000 yards (20.1km). The 16"/50 at 22,000 yards is listed at 405mm. Using the same exact model for both we get about 395mm for the 15" and 405mm for the 16"/50. No significant difference. It's 360mm at 20km for the 16"/45. you have n...

See at bismarck-class-forum.dk
actual discussion about the same facts
http://bismarck-class-forum.dk/thread.php?threadid=4873