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by Steve Crandell
Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:03 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato
Replies: 38
Views: 2584

Re: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato

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by Steve Crandell
Sun Dec 19, 2021 11:52 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato
Replies: 38
Views: 2584

Re: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato

And of course you don't think it's likely for Yamato to get any underwater hits on Tirpitz during this entire battle, but Tirpitz is going to get citadel penetrations on the former. And you think Yamato's non citadel damage is going to be the same as Tirpitz, which has about half the internal volume...
by Steve Crandell
Sun Dec 19, 2021 5:33 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato
Replies: 38
Views: 2584

Re: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato

Hans,

My apologies about the 18" rate of fire. I got my figures from my memory of the firing clock in the book about Yamato by Janusz Skulski. I remember being very surprised when I saw it.
by Steve Crandell
Sat Dec 18, 2021 7:56 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato
Replies: 38
Views: 2584

Re: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato

Hans, You seem to assume that Tirpitz belt is like a force field and shells which penetrate the MAB and the slope and then explode aren't going to do any damage. Also, extreme subdivision isn't going to matter very much if an 18" shell explodes and destroys several layers of subdivision. It's a...
by Steve Crandell
Fri Dec 17, 2021 11:19 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato
Replies: 38
Views: 2584

Re: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato

I agree with Hans that German heavy artillery was capable of being fired faster than everyone else because of the cartridge cases they used. However, that doesn't make much difference in normal real world situations because range and time of flight really was the determining factor in rate of fire m...
by Steve Crandell
Thu Dec 16, 2021 2:35 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato
Replies: 38
Views: 2584

Re: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato

I believe that Scharnhorst's AP should be able to penetrate the DoY belt, turret faces, and barbettes at about the same range Tirpitz could be expected to do the same against Yamato. All either ship has to do is close to that range without getting mauled. That's the trick. But I don't think the Germ...
by Steve Crandell
Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:13 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato
Replies: 38
Views: 2584

Re: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato

Your whole premise seems to be Tirpitz getting to 14km range or less without being seriously degraded by Yamato's guns. I think that is extremely unlikely and that scenario certainly doesn't sound to me like an inherent advantage for Tirpitz. For one thing if Tirpitz heads directly toward Yamato in ...
by Steve Crandell
Wed Dec 15, 2021 7:58 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato
Replies: 38
Views: 2584

Re: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato

Hans, what you wrote wasn't offensive at all and I'm sorry if my response came across that way. I was kind of shocked, that's all. It's just that I was very surprised that anyone would consider any other battleship would, by itself, have a fairly certain chance to defeat what almost everyone conside...
by Steve Crandell
Wed Dec 15, 2021 5:10 pm
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato
Replies: 38
Views: 2584

Re: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato

Interesting. Now Tirpitz is equivalent to Yamato. I don't believe I ever imagined I would see that, but there it is. I don't know where to begin, and I don't think I will try because I suspect we have someone who will not believe anything could be superior to German technology.
by Steve Crandell
Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:25 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato
Replies: 38
Views: 2584

Re: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato

As far as I know, Yamato's main battery fired at the same maximum rate as most every other main battery gun, i.e. two rounds/min. I think some people just assume the since the guns were "huge" they must fire more slowly and I don't think that is correct.
by Steve Crandell
Tue Dec 14, 2021 6:01 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Why didn't Lutjens go all out to destroy Norfolk and Suffolk?
Replies: 17
Views: 1147

Re: Why didn't Lutjens go all out to destroy Norfolk and Suffolk?

What happened to Norfolk? She seems to have vaporized. In any case, if Bismarck tried to take on both British BBs with Hood not able to make the historical targeting mistake, I don't like Bismarck's chances. In the real event PoW took a long time to find the range, but it's still two v. one, which s...
by Steve Crandell
Tue Dec 14, 2021 2:29 am
Forum: Hypothetical Naval Scenarios
Topic: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato
Replies: 38
Views: 2584

Re: Bismarck and Tirpitz vs Yamato

Probably close range to increase the number of hits and hope to overwhelm her with volume of fire. Also minimizes deck armor weakness vs long delay IJN AP. Separate to force her to concentrate on one ship to the exclusion of the other and make it slower for her to switch targets. They need lots of h...
by Steve Crandell
Mon Dec 13, 2021 6:55 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Why didn't Lutjens go all out to destroy Norfolk and Suffolk?
Replies: 17
Views: 1147

Re: Why didn't Lutjens go all out to destroy Norfolk and Suffolk?

I suppose the one thing that could have made a difference would have been an operational Graf Zeppelin... (If they could see the target) I suppose, but do you realize how many years it took the US, UK, and IJN to evolve working naval aviation? You really need a training CV, for one thing, but in an...
by Steve Crandell
Mon Dec 13, 2021 5:00 pm
Forum: Naval History (1922-1945)
Topic: 80 Years for Force Z
Replies: 13
Views: 1166

Re: 80 Years for Force Z

I agree, although the number of aircraft devoted to attacking Yamato was huge; many more than force Z.
by Steve Crandell
Mon Dec 13, 2021 4:57 pm
Forum: Bismarck General Discussion
Topic: Why didn't Lutjens go all out to destroy Norfolk and Suffolk?
Replies: 17
Views: 1147

Re: Why didn't Lutjens go all out to destroy Norfolk and Suffolk?

There was also the possibility that Lutjens could get out into the North Atlantic without having to fight an engagement at all, and he would be throwing away that chance by going after Suffolk.