I absolutely agree that there is a desire in the west to see Russia collapse again, but I don't think there is a "scheme" involved. It's just a common feeling that Russian administrations have been aggressive and caused a great deal of suffering in areas that matter to the people that live in the west. So, they do things that increase problems for Russia, just as the reverse is true. I don't believe there is a smoking room somewhere that leaders of the west get together and plan the next move to mess up Russia. Democracies are much too disorganized to do something like that.Byron Angel wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 9:50 pmNo,Steve. Nothing remotely so romantically imaginative.Steve Crandell wrote: ↑Sun Oct 02, 2022 2:32 amAnd this is all organized by the "Deep State" or the Illuminati, or some such? The great secret cabal which controls everything?
It’s just another step in the long-term scheme by the US/EU/NATO to collapse Russia, dismantle it, digest the remnants and take control of its highly valuable natural resources for the benefit of “western interests”.
It’s not really much of a “secret plot”. See John Mearsheimer, who has commented that this has been openly discussed within NATO over a number of years since the collapse of the USSR. The 2014,installation of the Zelensky regime (by coup d’etat) was the latest step until Putin upset their apple cart.
And to answer your next question before you ask it, look into the eight years of abuse and terror endured by the ethnic Russians of the Donbas at the hands of the Ukrainian army and other NSDAP-style “paramilitary elements”.
I can remember a few years after the collapse of the Soviet Union we had an air show where I live that invited a Russian team with Mig-29s and how I felt wonderful that many of the world's conflicts had been solved and an era of peace was before us. And of course we dismantled a lot of our military. Then Russia again fell under the control of an authoritarian regime focused on restoring Russia to it's maximum level of control of territory in ages past. And supporting authoritarian regimes everywhere else.
And on it goes ...